Thanks. Mirroring to my laptop now. Will discuss how to preserve it more permanently with postmaster.
Skip On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 4:43 PM Guido van Rossum <gu...@python.org> wrote: > Via Twitter I got > ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/mirror/python/search/hypermail/python-recent/, which > has earlier python-list archives, ending in April 1995. Not exactly what > you were looking for but probably also worth saving before that archive > dies. > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 11:56 AM Skip Montanaro <skip.montan...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thanks all. I just pinged Ken and am going to rummage around >> mail.python.org for a bit. >> >> Skip >> >> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 12:10 PM Barry Warsaw <ba...@python.org> wrote: >> >>> comp.lang.python and thus python-list definitely predate Mailman. In >>> fact, my earliest Python story involves seeing c.l.py creation, >>> browsing for a bit (because who doesn’t love a cool little language that >>> just a handful of enthusiasts are raving about?), and finding it full only >>> of Monty Python jokes. Which of course are great, but why in comp.lang?! >>> Thanks, but I’ll stick with Perl. :) >>> >>> Anyway, python-list and some of the other early lists I can’t find >>> details on right now were originally hosted on Majorodomo. Given that the >>> Mailman archives only go back to 1999, and Guido (and thus most of the >>> Python development infrastructure) had already moved to CNRI by then, it’s >>> possible that the original Majordomo archives were never migrated into >>> Mailman. I just don’t remember and it would take more archive spelunking >>> than I want to do right now. Possibly Ken Manheimer would remember more >>> details. >>> >>> I kind of doubt those original Majordomo archives have survived the >>> various hosting migrations since then, but maybe they are laying around on >>> mail.python.org some place? >>> >>> -Barry >>> >>> > On Jan 6, 2020, at 06:48, Skip Montanaro <skip.montan...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:25 PM Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote: >>> > On 1/1/20 11:22 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >>> > > I am looking at the MM2 mailing list creation confirmation messages >>> in my personal archives. Both d...@python.org (at 09:49 server local >>> time?) and python-dev@python.org (at 14:17) were created on April 19, >>> 1999. I don’t remember what happened to dev@ but based on the >>> timeline, I’m retroguessing that we created dev@ first, then quickly >>> rethought the name, created python-dev@ and retired dev@. >>> > >>> > Just to provide some closure here, the pipermail archive for python-dev >>> > goes back to April 21, 1999. There is one, possibly spurious message >>> > from some other list dated March 16, 1995 from Linus Torvalds. >>> > >>> > Aside from this one message and as far as I can tell, all the other >>> > messages from April 21 forward are in the current Hyperkitty archive. >>> > >>> > (Apologies for letting this drop for a couple days.) >>> > >>> > I'm still befuddled. When I look at the MM2 archive for python-list, >>> it also only goes back to Feb 1999. Surely I'm missing something. Maybe GNU >>> Mailman itself isn't much older than 1999. Perhaps python-dev content was >>> embedded in python-list/comp.lang.python before Apr 1999, but we were >>> certainly discussing development of and in Python well before 1999. Where >>> did all the archives go? Maybe it's just my failing memory. I can accept >>> that. If you look at the filenames of the earliest python-list and >>> python-dev messages in the archives: >>> > >>> > • New (?) suggestion to solve "assignment-in-while" desire >>> (python-list - Feb 1999 - 005101.html) >>> > • ZServer 1.0b1: spurious colon in HTTP response line >>> (python-dev - Apr 1999 - 095103.html) >>> > you get the impression that there must have been earlier messages. >>> Wouldn't new lists simply start with message 000000.html by default? The >>> first message in the csv mailing list is >>> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/csv/2003-January/000000.html. >>> > >>> > Perhaps what I really pine for are comp.lang.python archives? GMane >>> is gone. Google Groups seems to have nothing. They must be someplace. I've >>> heard the Internet never forgets. Even if my personal quest (old messages >>> about Rattlesnake and other alternative virtual machine projects) fails to >>> bear fruit, I suspect there is value in maintaining the history of the >>> Python language. >>> > >>> > Thx again... >>> > >>> > Skip >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ >> Message archived at >> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/KNITMEVRZZJY2DHYJBBQPCWKCP2DX7JV/ >> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> > > > -- > --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) > *Pronouns: he/him **(why is my pronoun here?)* > <http://feministing.com/2015/02/03/how-using-they-as-a-singular-pronoun-can-change-the-world/> >
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