On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:36 PM Steven D'Aprano <st...@pearwood.info> wrote:

> It needs to be pointed out that Thomas Wouters was recently re-elected
> to the PSF board. I think we need to know whether Thomas speaks for the
> entire PSF board.Giampaolo feared this:
>
> "It's gonna happen again and again, until everybody gets in line, shuts
> up or leaves due to exhaustion."
>
> and Thomas replied:
>
> "I'm not sure how much more clear python-dev and the PSF could have been
> that this is true."
>
> So is it true? Do the core devs and the PSF have a policy of
> pushing divisive political changes to silence and force out of the
> community people who are guilty of thought-crime and holding the wrong
> opinion on political matters?
>

I wasn't speaking for the PSF or the Steering Council, nor was my intent to
"silence or force out people guilty of thought-crime and holding the wrong
opinion".


>
> I think that Thomas' post violated the CoC:
>

Please report all CoC violations to the CoC WG.


>
> * not open, considerate, or respectful;
>
> * dismissive of Giampaolo's efforts;
>
> * not respectful of differing viewpoints;
>
> * lacking empathy towards others with alternative perspectives.
>
> The CoC doesn't mention the word "tolerant" or "tolerance", but there
> was nothing of either in Thomas' post. And coming from a PSF Board
> member, I think that is extremely worrying.
>
>
> Steven
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:42:40PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 11:52:52 +0200
> > Thomas Wouters <tho...@python.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm not sure who 'our' is in this sentence, but I'm certainly not glad
> > > Python ever took any of your patches.
> >
> > Really?
> >
> > You know, I don't care (and few people probably care) what you think
> > personally of other core developers.  But that you aren't even able to
> > keep those thoughts for yourself and instead think it's ok to launch
> > vitriolic attacks publicly, doesn't reflect very well on you.
> >
> > Personally, I'm glad Giampaolo contributes to the project, as well as
> > to the community (psutil is invaluable).  And I think you should just
> > police yourself instead of attacking him personally.
> >
> > > We want to be more welcoming, not less --
> >
> > But do you *personally*? You certainly do not sound like you want to be
> > "more welcoming".  Your belliquous attitude doesn't support that.  You
> > sound like you have an axe to grind.
> >
> > If your stated intentions are contradicted by your own behaviour,
> > you're doing it wrong.
> >
> >
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