> On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 24 September 2014 03:05, Steve Dower <steve.do...@microsoft.com 
> <mailto:steve.do...@microsoft.com>> wrote:
>> Larry Hastings wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 09/19/2014 03:31 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>>> I think we need a Python 3.5 Release Schedule PEP.
>>> 
>>> Just checked it in as PEP 478.  It should show up here in a few minutes:
>>> http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0478/
>>> 
>>> Key facts:
>>> . Beta 1 is May 24th 2015, about a month after the end of the PyCon US 2015 
>>> sprints.
>>> . Final release is September 13, 2015, just over a year from now.
>>> 
>>> Comments?
>> 
>> Martin is no longer producing the Windows installers - that task has been 
>> handed to me. I'm planning to have a rewritten installer (also in the same 
>> repo) that should be easier to modify and maintain, as well as being able to 
>> produce alternative packages (such as a Python 3.5 or stdlib merge module, 
>> for example), though that doesn't necessarily need to go into the PEP.
>> 
>> I'm also considering/experimenting with installing into "Program Files" by 
>> default, but I suspect that isn't going to work out yet.
>> 
>> I'd like to move the Windows versions onto the next release of VC (currently 
>> "VC 14" until the branding team figures out what to call it). There isn't a 
>> promised RTM date for VC 14 yet, so it looks like the best available 
>> compiler by Beta 1 will be a "Go Live" RC. (The "Go Live" marking basically 
>> means "we think this is ready for use, but expect a round of minor 
>> updates/fixes soon - the compiler is least likely to be updated, my guess is 
>> that it'll be Visual Studio UI mostly).
>> 
>> I personally don't have any qualms about using the RC compiler for Beta 1, 
>> and Beta 2 will almost certainly use VC 14 RTM, but I know when I proposed 
>> this topic that some people were concerned about having the final version 
>> available for Python 3.5 Beta.
>> 
>> So far I've been building regularly with internal versions of VC and haven't 
>> been hitting any major issues with Python (OpenSSL has some issues, but I've 
>> been filing bugs on both sides so they should be worked out soon enough). My 
>> work is at http://hg.python.org/sandbox/steve.dower (branch: VC14) for 
>> anyone interested.
>> 
>> For the alphas, I'm contemplating producing two builds (VC 10 and VC 14), 
>> but I obviously want to settle on one or the other by Beta. Last time we 
>> discussed it, there was strong support for changing compiler, but I have a 
>> better idea of the timeline now and it's tighter than I thought...
>> 
>> Thoughts, anyone?
> 
> It's ultimately up to Larry as RM, but I'd personally favour targeting
> the newer compiler and runtime, even with the slight risk of
> potentially needing to slip our schedule. There's also a fair amount
> of wiggle room between the first beta and the first release candidate.
> 
> Regards,
> Nick.
> 
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This new compiler has the incredibly awesome feature of being forwards 
compatible
right? Like in 10 years stuff compiled with a newer compiler will still work?

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