On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 at 18:15, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer <arj.pyt...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> I have taken Java as an example (you can refer to the draft here
> <https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2020-January/895056.html>)
> as Python
> shares some similarities in having a VM, having bytecodes and being
> labelled
> as a cross-platform language. The draft shows different ways in which we
> can
> improve a mere Zip archive to the level where more ambitious projects
> might
> be built. I have also described the signing mechanism of .jars etc
>
> Having metadata in zip archives is one baby step on using archives as apps.
>
>
Maybe I'm missing something, but the draft which you link to has a lot of
discussion of how jar files and apk files work, and their features, but
almost nothing about what problems people using Python currently have, that
the proposal could solve. And if I ignore the parts about signing and
bundling cross-platform dependencies (which I've already said I think you
should drop until the basics are sorted out) there seems to me to be almost
nothing left in the way of a concrete proposal.

I'd strongly suggest that you re-formulate your proposal as a series of one
or more sets of:

  * Description of a problem that Python users currently face
  * Review of currently available solutions, and how they fall short
  * Details of what you propose, and how that improves on the current
options

At the moment, it's very hard to tell what you're actually suggesting, and
what benefits you think will be gained.

For what it's worth, I agree that the current options for bundling Python
applications are not ideal. But to move forward, I want to see specifics,
not just a generalised "things aren't great, we should throw more
technology at the problem and it will help (somehow)" proposal with no
actual plan of action.

Sorry if this sounds negative - I don't mean it to. You sound like you have
some ideas here and I'm hoping you can find a way to explain them better so
they don't get lost in the confusion.

Paul
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