On 2022-02-20 17:56, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Gerrit Holl writes:
> If voting is limited to a select group (which could be as small as
> Python core developers, or as large as anyone who has ever had a pull
> request merged into cpython, or something in-between), then a vote
> could be a way to measure opinions after a lengthy discussion fails to
> reach a consensus.
I'm not sure what the benefit of "measuring opinions" is supposed to
be, when those opinions don't bring real resources with them, and few
of them are informed beyond "sounds cool" and "YAGNI". If a
discussion fails to reach consensus, human brains do OK at holding a
fairly detailed summary of it, including who held what opinion when
discussion ended -- far more informative than the result of a vote.
What a vote can do for you is make an up or down decision, or choose
among alternatives. But from the project's point of view, these
decisions are rarely pressing (except maybe security fixes, and those
are not going to be discussed publicly, let alone put to a general
vote!) If an issue is still controversial after a long discussion,
it's usually because there are competing interests in play, and
somebody has to lose something they want. In those cases, it's almost
always best to table it, and see if any technical progress is made on
reconciling differences about the issue over the next release cycle.
Sure, tabling issues frustrates non-committer proponents (who are also
usually the proponents of voting schemes, what a coincidence!), but
that's normally better than frustrating committers who are against it.
FYI, the verb "to table" has different meanings in US and UK English. In
US English it means to remove from discussion, whereas in UK English it
means to propose for discussion, which is the opposite. On a list that
has an international reach, it's probably best to avoid the verb altogether.
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