"To table" is a contranym in both the US and the UK. On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 9:53 AM MRAB <pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com> wrote:
> On 2022-02-20 17:56, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Gerrit Holl writes: > > > > > If voting is limited to a select group (which could be as small as > > > Python core developers, or as large as anyone who has ever had a pull > > > request merged into cpython, or something in-between), then a vote > > > could be a way to measure opinions after a lengthy discussion fails > to > > > reach a consensus. > > > > I'm not sure what the benefit of "measuring opinions" is supposed to > > be, when those opinions don't bring real resources with them, and few > > of them are informed beyond "sounds cool" and "YAGNI". If a > > discussion fails to reach consensus, human brains do OK at holding a > > fairly detailed summary of it, including who held what opinion when > > discussion ended -- far more informative than the result of a vote. > > > > What a vote can do for you is make an up or down decision, or choose > > among alternatives. But from the project's point of view, these > > decisions are rarely pressing (except maybe security fixes, and those > > are not going to be discussed publicly, let alone put to a general > > vote!) If an issue is still controversial after a long discussion, > > it's usually because there are competing interests in play, and > > somebody has to lose something they want. In those cases, it's almost > > always best to table it, and see if any technical progress is made on > > reconciling differences about the issue over the next release cycle. > > > > Sure, tabling issues frustrates non-committer proponents (who are also > > usually the proponents of voting schemes, what a coincidence!), but > > that's normally better than frustrating committers who are against it. > > > FYI, the verb "to table" has different meanings in US and UK English. In > US English it means to remove from discussion, whereas in UK English it > means to propose for discussion, which is the opposite. On a list that > has an international reach, it's probably best to avoid the verb > altogether. > _______________________________________________ > Python-ideas mailing list -- python-ideas@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-ideas@python.org/message/4XBBEQHGGH5B6XNYYVXOEXG7EDPPLTAJ/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > -- Keeping medicines from the bloodstreams of the sick; food from the bellies of the hungry; books from the hands of the uneducated; technology from the underdeveloped; and putting advocates of freedom in prisons. Intellectual property is to the 21st century what the slave trade was to the 16th.
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