On 7/17/23 1:10 PM, Dom Grigonis wrote:
This whole thing started from dict’s `get` extension:
def  get_substitute(self, key, default=None, subs=()):
     return  keyin  self  ?  (self[key] :=  valin  subs?  subs[val] : val) : 
default
I dare you to do a 1-liner with current if-else.

Why are we trying to write one-liners in the first place? Conditional expressions are a rare spice that should be used sparingly. No matter the syntax, three of them nested together isn't readable code, it's a puzzle.

--Ned.






On 17 Jul 2023, at 18:09, Rob Cliffe <rob.cli...@btinternet.com> wrote:



On 15/07/2023 21:08, Dom Grigonis wrote:
Just to add. I haven’t thought about evaluation. Thus, to prevent evaluation of unnecessary code, introduction of C-style expression is needed anyways:
1. result = bar is None ? default : bar

The below would have to evaluate all arguments, thus not achieving benefits of PEP505.
2. result = ifelse(bar is None, default, bar)


So I would vote for something similar to:
result = bar is None ? default : bar

Where default and bar is only evaluated if needed. Although not to the extent as initially intended, it would offer satisfiable solutions to several proposals.

Well, default is only evaluated if needed; bar is always evaluated.
What is wrong with the Python equivalent

result = default if bar is None else bar
or if you prefer
result = bar if bar is not None else default

Perhaps you didn't know about this construction?


Best wishes
Rob Cliffe


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