On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 at 08:56, Dom Grigonis <dom.grigo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just to add, I think your statement actually works in my favour rather than 
> against my proposal.
>
> People from this group are potentially biased and lack objectivity against 
> what I am proposing because they are familiar with python and more 
> experienced ones participated in “carved in stone” decision regarding already 
> existent `ifelse` expression.
>

Of course we're biased. Everyone is biased. If you don't think you're
biased, you just haven't seen your biases yet. A few of mine:

* I have functional eyesight
* I have a US-English layout "qwerty" keyboard
* My internet connection, while decent, is not nearly as fast as some
* I spend many hours a day writing code (as opposed to a novice,
student, or very casual programmer, who all will have other
priorities)
* I use Linux exclusively and have no experience with Windows 11
* And yes, I know C. Also Ruby, Pike, JavaScript, and a ton of others.

Each of these affects my opinions of what's good and what's not. And
those are just the ones I could think of, off the top of my head. Some
of them I actively fight against; others I simply recognize (for
example, when people are discussing a change that would only affect
Windows users, I'll let other people judge, since I can't adequately
assess its impact).

> So I expected that my proposal might even look humorous to some. E.g. In 
> survey I got a comment “to learn python if I want to use it”. I am doing my 
> best, just some parts of it are hard to digest in the context of other parts 
> that are so easily digestible.
>

Humorous? Or just completely pointless? I don't think anyone here has
said that your proposal is a joke.

> Maybe this 20-year late discussion will have some impact on future python 
> expressions. E.g. some new expression will be a superset of `ifelse` and this 
> will be taken into account. Maybe not, but hopefully it had at least a bit of 
> positive value.
>

https://peps.python.org/pep-0622/

Yet again, an improvement in expressiveness, though not in compactness.

ChrisA
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