On 13/11/2013 19:27, superchromix wrote:

hi all,

I've been thinking about learning Python for scientific programming.. but all 
of these flame war type posts make the user community look pretty lame.  How 
did all of these nice packages get written when most of the user interaction is 
.... this??

Can anyone tell me, is there another newsgroup where the discussion is more on 
python programming?

thanks
Sadly, I'm inclined to agree with you but this is a relatively recent development.

I joined this group about a year ago and, while it wasn't all 'sweetness and light', it was a lot better than '. . . . this' - in fact I'd say it was pretty good, I certainly got treated well and got quality answers to my (few) questions. Right now, we have a 'help vampire' who has demanded an inordinate amount of time from the list members - and not in a polite or well structured way. The members of this list have responded in various ways, ranging from continuing to help through to kill-file on the offending person. The discourse around how to deal with this issue has degenerated into some unfortunate and vitriolic debate.

As far as I can see, it remains possible to post sensible, well constructed questions and get sensible well-considered answers - just let the intense arguments pass you by and focus on your own issues and their resolutions and you'll be fine on this list. There are plenty of very capable Pythonistas ready to help.

Some basic advice (not wanting to teach you to suck eggs):
- Include relevant info on your environment (OS; version of Python; any specialist libraries in use; etc)
- Come to the list with a clear description of what you are trying to do
- Preferably include a code sample that displays the problem
- Include the trace-back if you are getting one
- Try to avoid using Google Groups as your 'reader'

Welcome!  Ignore the BS and Enjoy  :-)

Steve S

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