I suggest the solution of if you are having trouble understanding someone do to a language barrier just say so and/or ask for help. The people here, for the most part, are friendly and understanding. I cannot imagine someone not clarifying a communication, or parts there of, for someone like me, who only speaks a single language. I use google translate very often to translate plugin directions and documentation, and if that doesn't work I can ask the list for help. That is how I see it anyway
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 2:06 PM Alex M <[email protected]> wrote: > Nicolas, > > I think you raise a valid points, and that the end of the day we need to > be as welcoming as possible to the entire community. As a reminder for > some https://www.osgeo.org/code_of_conduct/ > > The question is how do we best address the issue? The list of alternate > language lists is good but not a complete solution. We should absolutely > offer those when responding to a non-english post, and perhaps an > explanation that English is the most common language on the list because > it's comprehended by the most subscribers, so it is most likely to get > you the most help. A lot of assumptions in that. > > As a native English speaker, I actually do attempt to figure out the > posts in other languages I have some familiarity with, and try to reply > with a poorly translated response & the english response, along with a > link to a language specific list if I know one as an alternative. > > Sounds like we do need to fix the website to better direct people to > other language lists if they prefer. > > Any else have suggestions on how to improve this? > > Thanks, > Alex > > > On 10/19/18 08:54, Nicolas Cadieux wrote: > > Hi Jürgen, > > > > You are not offended because you have probably never been repeatedly > > told not to speak German in Germany. For people who do not live in a > > country where this is often the case, I understand they cannot relate to > > what I am stating. My rant is culturally - country specific and > > perhaps, not appropriate for this forum. I acknowledge this but I am > > tying to make people aware of a situation that can really tick people > off. > > > > I understand this list is primarily used by people who understand > > english and that this facilitates communication. I usually publish in > > English, or write on this list in English for this very same reason. I > > agree that pointing people to language specific list can help those who > > have a poor understanding, or no understanding of English. I have done > > that in the past and have also translated messages from French or > > Spanish to English when I see unilingual posts, even when I don't know > > the answers to the questions. This way they can still get helped and > > others can benefit from the post as you point out. Unfortunately, the > > other lists that I have visited are not as dynamic as this one... but > > that's another story. > > > > You don't get my last point because, in your case (and in the case of > > most developers) you have _chosen_ to communicate in English for all the > > good reasons and are not regularly mocked at when using your mother > > language in public. You are not from a country where you are expected > > to speak in English and to make that effort while anglophones (in my > > case) are not making any efforts to communicate with you in French. > > While this is thankfully changing in Canada as more and more anglophones > > learn French and make the efforts (and are actually starting to realize > > the importance of learning more than just one language), this is not the > > case in other countries like the US where Spanish speaking people are > > often the target of outright racism and regularly told "this is an > > English speaking country". > > > > I too appreciate the use of English in this list, specially when the > > writer is German, Austrian or from Iceland because Google translation > > just does not cut it when talking in technical terms. I am simply > > stating that this is a courtesy to be appreciated and not to be taken > > for granted. While Europeans regularly speak many languages, this is a > > richness not appreciated in many parts of North America. > > > > Yours truly, > > > > Nicolas Cadieux > > > > > > On 2018-10-19 10:22 AM, Jürgen E. Fischer wrote: > >> Hi Nicolas, > >> > >> On Fri, 19. Oct 2018 at 09:07:36 -0400, Nicolas Cadieux wrote: > >>> This is a public rant. I find it extremely offensive to read > >>> comments like > >>> “this is the English list” to people who write to this list in any > other > >>> language than English. > >> I don't. This is the main user list and it's in English - because > >> that's the > >> language everyone here understands - if you don't understand English, > >> there's > >> not much point subscribing in the first place. > >> > >> Using a language other than that excludes the majority of the > >> subscribers from > >> benefiting from what is being said and from contributing to the > >> discussion. > >> > >> And I don't find a response that clarifies this and also points to a > >> better > >> suited list offensive either. Maybe even with a English translation > >> if the > >> original posting seems relevant to all. > > > >>> If you disagree, please note that the QGIS site refers to this list > >>> as the > >>> “The MAIN list for user questions: used for discussion of QGIS in > >>> general, as > >>> well as specific questions regarding its installation and use.” The > >>> MAIN > >>> list... not the ENGLISH list. This message is also repeated in other > >>> languages as can be seen here. > >>> https://www.qgis.org/fr/site/getinvolved/mailinglists.html# > >>> https://www.qgis.org/es/site/getinvolved/mailinglists.html# > >> Hm, that might be a translation issue. We used to point to local > >> lists there > >> (eg. [email protected] for German) - but that's apparently > >> meanwhile gone.If you are still offended, please keep in mind that > >> QGIS is primarily, to my > >> knowledge, a European effort made by people who have German, > >> Austrio-German, > >> Spanish, French, Italian and other as their first language and that > >> they are > >> developing in English, their second, third or forth language. You > >> should be > >> grateful for their efforts to reach out the international community in a > >> language spoken a cross the world. > >> I don't get that point. Developer's post in English here. > >> Developer's - at > >> least I do - also prefer others to post in English here. And if > somebody > >> posted in German, I'd probably point the person off-list to the above > >> list. > >> > >> > >> Jürgen > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > Qgis-user mailing list > [email protected] > List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
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