On 7 Apr 2004 at 10:16, Tony Firshman wrote:

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> >I still disagree. the crux of the matter sin't whether the ppublic
>                                             ^ he he  that "isn't" quite
> the slang "ain't"  - 'a' is next to 's'.  ain't means the same thing. I
> see you two are a few fingered typist like me.
I did mean to write isn't not "ain't" - on my french keyboard, a and s aren't 
even in the same row...
I just didn't have time to re-read myself, as quite often these last days.

(...)
> 
> Having  integrated software does not negate your position at all.  To
> not use them, one simply installs other software and let the
> installation change the default, which it probably will.

Well, what exactly are we talking about "integrated software"?
Some thing like Xchange is in antegrated software, since 4 apps are rolled 
into one.
But this is not what I meant. I meant, of course software integrated into the 
OS. Imagine Word being part of Windows itself. Brrr.

> With the massive ram and disk resources and high speed of modern
> machines (and these all get larger day by day) surely the issue is
> simply loading time and some wasted ram (probably small).

"some" wasted ram?
I beg to differ.

Also, the more complex the software  the more problems you will have to debug 
etc...

> I must say, even though I am a tinkerer, I do like the concept of a
> fully working integrated system to start with.  At least then I have a
> rock on which to build.
> However Roy has not pointed out that both XP and W2000 allow one to
> remove Internet Explorer, Outlook Express, Windows Media Player and
> others too I am sure.  If users install XP they can do that _before_
> installation.
"IF" "users" install etc - Roy's typical user wouldn't be able to do that, 
would he?

> Grrrr - I really hate this devil's advocate role.
No, my comments weren't meant as a criticism on M$ in particular , I'd 
criticize Linux or whatever to the same extend if the same phenomenon 
happened there.

> As a relevant sideline - both Roy and I use the excellent Turnpike
> mailer/newsreader.  This add-on program actually integrates itself with
> Windows Explorer!
Shock, horror...

Wolfgang
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