By the way, I'm not suggesting a new filesystem implementation would be 
'a small tweak' in terms of programming effort, but if it were done it 
would be a great improvement with only minimal change to look & feel.  
You could even keep the file naming convention (the restricted filename 
length never bothered me).

Ian.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pine, Ian 
> Sent: 12 March 2002 10:58
> To: ql-users
> Cc: Pine, Ian
> Subject: RE: Re: [ql-users] The future of SMSQ/E
> 
> 
> I learned computing with command line tools and all my development 
> career was with them - GUIs didn't exist.  Like Tim I would probably 
> use a desktop mostly for launching shells.
> However, if people want a desktop then why not if the platform is 
> capable?  But a desktop is an application, and I see no 
> reason to bloat 
> the OS with applications; you are just making more 
> maintenance effort.  
> For those who prefer to be working in the GUI environment all 
> the time, 
> it could be launched by the boot program, similar to startx in Unix.
> 
> Aside from that what I'd really like to see is improvements to the 
> filesystem.  We need to be able to make full use of the 
> larger disks.  
> Filesystems bigger than 2Gb (without the waste of space of huge block 
> sizes) and more than four partitions.  Smaller disks are 
> getting harder 
> to find.  In the shop I normally get computer parts from, even their 
> secondhand disks are all 10Gb+.
> 
> In my opinion we should be looking at small tweaks to the OS, finding 
> opportunities to make it more efficient, adding only enough 
> features to 
> make it keep up with hardware developments, while keeping it 
> compact.  
> Larger projects should certainly be developed, but they should be in 
> the form of application layers, that can be loaded or not, as 
> the user 
> chooses.
> 
> If it moves too far from the original QL look & feel - more 
> Windows-like or more Unix-like and users aren't given the choice of 
> which interface style to use, the platform will lose its 
> identity, then 
> what is there to make us choose it over a PC running one of 
> those other 
> operating systems?  Perhaps we should take a risk and stay defiantly 
> different - that might attract some new users who are curious, 
> attracted precisely because it IS different.  But some of the minor 
> irritations need to be tidied up first.
> 
> Ian.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: swensont 
> > Sent: 12 March 2002 05:36
> > To: ql-users
> > Cc: swensont
> > Subject: Re: [ql-users] The future of SMSQ/E
> > 
> > 
> > Hmm, I think you misunderstood what I was getting at.
> > 
> > 1.  I see very few chances of getting new folks to the QL.  
> > This is not a 
> > bad thing, just reality.
> > 
> > 2.  I would like to see further development for the QL world. 
> >  The recent 
> > developments for TCP/IP and CD access are prime examples of what 
> > development I am talking about.  I don't see development to 
> > compete with 
> > other OS's ("Gee, Linux has Gnome and KDE, let's get 
> > something for SMSQ/E" 
> > or something like that)
> > 
> > 3. Current users will demand more features.  The QL world has 
> > done this in 
> > the past (color drivers) and will do it in the future.
> > 
> > 4.  I am not proposing we not support the current developer.  
> > In fact I 
> > propose that we expand the number of people developing SMSQ/E.
> > 
> > 
> > At work I have to worry about what other people want and need 
> > for their 
> > computer needs.  In some cases, what I use is dictated to me 
> > (I use a Win2K 
> > system as my desktop machine).
> > 
> > QDOS and SMSQ/E are the only system that I have chosen to put 
> > a lot of time 
> > and effort into, without pay.  I gauge the future of SMSQ/E 
> > by my personal 
> > needs.  This may seems selfish, but I've got 16 years 
> > invested in this OS 
> > and I'm pretty picky about making any major changes and 
> > forcibly putting in 
> > features that I don't feel I need.  I plan to use my QL 
> > systems for as long 
> > as I can.
> > 
> > I look at my QL systems like a nice, well designed tool (such as a 
> > hammer).  I don't upgrade until I really need to.  I won't 
> > buy a new hammer 
> > until my old one no longer fits my needs.  I guess this has 
> > been the main 
> > reason I've used the QL for so long.  I really fits my needs.
> > 
> > Tim Swenson
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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