On 13 Jun 2002, at 22:09, Mike MacNamara wrote:

> 
> Any sensible person is not going to get invoved or take sides in
> this, that is why Wolfgang is not hearing feedback from users, I
> think.

Isn't there a difference between "getting involved" and "taking 
sides"? I'm not asking anybody to take sides here, just to voice 
their opinions.

> However nobody ever accused me of being sensible. 
:-)))

>So, from a user
> point of view, Peter Graf seems to be the one with most at stake, his
> is the biggest commitment, he is, apart from Nasta, the only one
> developing the 'QL' ( of whatever flavour) and therefore his views are
> most important.

I, personally, would dispute that statement. For me, QPC is just as 
important.

> His is the financial investment, and D&D and Richard
> share his ambitions. Good luck to them, without them the QL is dead, 
> and anything that puts obstacles in their way is not condusive to
> furthering SMSQ to the benfit of the user.  After all all the buyers
> of Q40/60 are QL users who are simply upgrading as we have constantly
> done since the first black box. This whole topic reminds me of Alan
> Sugar of Amstrad trying to block QL development for his own reasons.
> 
> I am completely neutral in this debate, I feel sorry for
> Wolfgang, who is showing signs of wear. As a user, as I see it,
> the Q40/60 'lobby' were not involved in drawing up the Eindhoven
> license,. WHY NOT.
First of all, I don't think it is a "lobby" - let's avoid these words that 
have been used in a rather bad context...

I seem to remember that, at least, Peter Graf was fully aware of the 
EIndhoven meeting. IIRC, he said here that he was too ill to come.

.

> Why are their views less important than those
> who sat  at  a  'round table' and cobbled together a license that
> suited them, 

THEY ARE NOT. I HAVE taken the views expressed here into 
account. It is just that, on a fundamental level (totally free 
binaries/restricted binary distribution) we don't agree.

> why were Quanta not at this meeting,
I don't know
> why not other
> meeting in UK and US, to get the input of the bulk of people who are
> affected? 

Because, then, we would still be having meetings!

> It is no wonder 'conspiracy' is banded about. 

Oh, poppycock!
I'm sorry, but this is just unbelievable.
The process of how this came about has been set out here - 
several times IIRC.

>Wolfgang, if
> you don't listen to those who do not share your opinion, you will kill
> the patient that you are trying to save.

Yes, that is true -but apparently, you (and others) and I have a 
different opinion of what "listening" means.
Apparently, if I don't agree with some, then that is because I 
haven't listened to them.

Wolfgang

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