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On 5 Jun 00, at 18:28, Peter van Dijk wrote:

> > > - ORBS has IMHO too much false positives
> 
> That is impossible. ORBS does not list a machine until it has received
> a relayed test message.

Second (or higher) level relay _is_ a false positive. My ISP has 
been listed recently because they're doing a smarthost for clueless 
companies with dial-up connectivity (and no relay checks). What 
should the poor ISP do?

1. Tell the customers to go f*ck themselves and cut their service.
2. Automagically detect that the customer is being relay-abused.
3. Block ORBS tester.
4. Let the remaining customers suffer because the smarthost is 
blacklisted.


I've been using ORBS for some time, and I ditched it; having multi-
level relays listed was as much "collateral damage" as bombing of 
Chinese Embassy.

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