>> ORBS also lists tarpitting people, although as spam relays they are
>> unsusable, too.

> Anybody clueful enough to do tarpitting should block relaying.

There exists sites which do not have a nice block of IP addresses
which describe all of their valid mail relay users.  For such sites,
tarpitting is a much better solution than relay blocking.  MIT is one
of them (many of its mail relay users are customers of random outside
ISPs), and has had numerous problems with ORBS as a result.

> No. You obviously do not see my point. ORBS's job is to list open
> relays.  It does that, and it's good at it too. It also does not
> enforce this policy on anybody.

That's fine, but you personally have been making normative statements
like "No, don't get used to being listed on ORBS" and the one I quoted
above.

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