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On 21 Jul 00, at 9:59, Mark Mentovai wrote:

> There's a difference between being the target of a denial-of-service
> attack and being involved in one as a tool used by an attacker.  As
> participants on the public Internet, we have to be willing to
> acknowledge our own susceptibility to being targets, and take measures
> to handle them as our personal or organizational requirements dictate.
>  We must not be willing to promote abusive activities by knowingly
> supporting, directly or indirectly, bad practices.

If this is really, really your bother, just use the patch to control the 
maximum number of RCPT-TOs for one message.

BTW, you can still be the "tool", even without this amplification. 
Let's denote "A" attacker, "B" "tool" and "C" victim. Suppose that 
A and B are "stronger" (faster, or just on a faster line) than C (you 
can attack only someone weaker). A connects to B's SMTP and 
starts sending undeliverable messages with C as the fake sender 
at a fast rate; only one RCPT TO per message; B sends the 
bounces to C at the same rate, overwhelming C and its connection.

"B" can be any SMTP server which doesn't immediatelly check the 
recipient; any secondary MX falls into this category, as many large 
SMTPs (with many local users, I mean) like (maybe - I don't know) 
aol.com, hotmail.com etc.


Please note that this attack already has nothing to do with qmail at 
all: It just shows that SMTP is an inherently weak protocol, due to 
lack of authentication. Should we blame qmail from SMTP's 
weaknesses? It's an odd thing to do, isn't it?

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