Russ Allbery wrote:
> 
> David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > And either ORBS is blowing *amazing* clouds of smoke or MAPS is really
> > putting the boot in in their private way, in ways I can't approve of.
> 
> ORBS is blowing *amazing* clouds of smoke.  Either that, or Alan Brown has
> literally no clue whatsoever how Internet routing works.  This is one of
> the things that's rather annoying those of us who have heard a lot of the
> story from various sides.

Hi Russ!

I can't comment on this latest battle of wills between MAPS and 
ORBS, because I know nothing of BGP routing.  But in the last one, 
when ORBS listed in the RBL, ORBS was totally in the right.  I saw 
grown men, (admins!) trying to defend the position that by ORBS 
sending up to 16 messages through their servers a few times a _year_, 
ORBS was abusing the email system.  Mind you, these were servers 
that relayed 200K to a million messages a day - the ORBS tests 
amounted to a tiny fraction a of fraction of the spam it would 
have prevented.

And, as a result of above.net blocking ORBS, I find myself having 
to play whack-a-mole with spammers within above.net more and more 
each week - just reported one yesterday.

I suppose neither side is right, they're both being very childish 
about all this.

(My apologies to the list for keeping this OT thread going - I'll 
shut up now)


Eric

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