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On 24 Jul 00, at 22:54, Chris, the Young One wrote:

> ! > Wrong. You can perform zone transfers on MAPS' nameservers :-)
> ! > That'll give you the entire list.
> ! 
> ! Without signing the document?
> 
> Yes. DJB has posted on [EMAIL PROTECTED] a side-channel means of
> getting it, by exploiting BIND features (which don't include AXFR,
> despite Ricardo's use of the words ``zone transfers'').

Do you mean the same one as I do? That one doesn't do anything 
else than "bruteforce-downloading" the entire zone on host-by-host 
basis (the only "speedups" come from the possibility of having the 
entire /24, /16 or even /8 network blacklisted).

I'd like to hear any definite statement about plausibility of this 
"pseudo zone transfer"; it's certainly beyond my Internet 
connection limits (64kb, pair per byte transferred). (Even the mere 
idea of spawning 2^32 grep's is beyond my comprehension.)

In other words, did anyone actually try?

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