Hey Jake,
I do not think anyone on this list or using qmt does not apriciate the
work you did and are doing..
For me it really is not about the 30$, just never needed an interface,
guess I should check qcontrol maybe it will help me alot :)
Anyways, as said in an other mail I am just trying to help some who
are using vqadmin..
Have been active in the past with patches and helping arround on this
list, been busy otherwise but figured I can still contribute some time
to qmt.
I do think (as u suggest) a good mailserver needs a basic tool to
manage the users, so it would be good to fix vqadmin.
Or to write a replacement, with some basic features.
Guess I should crawl back under the stone I was the past year.. seems
this all stirs up things ..
Sorry for that.
JP
On 19 mei 2009, at 22:32, Jake Vickers wrote:
Phil Leinhauser wrote:
Everyone seems to think Qcontrol or VQadmin are the only ways to
get domains into QMT. I personally use webmin. In the command
line section I have the history of commands run and I queue up a
past domain add, modify it for the new domain and kick it off.
Qcontrol does a LOT more than create domains. Do you have a tool to
read log files?
Modify control files?
Look at the Queue?
Check and modify Spamassasin?
and a LOT more...
I feel like an infomercial... BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!!
It whitens and brightens...
Come on people
Thanks for the plug, Phil. I was off for a bit fixing a broken
laptop screen and was surprised to see this much traffic on the
list. This particular topic has generated quite a stir!
I think the topic covers a few different things. First and foremost
is why Vqadmin is still in the package list - I guess laziness and
hesitation on my part. It's always been there, so I left it there.
There - I admit laziness. Hesitation to remove it also brushes on my
laziness, but brings a key point to the forefront. If I remove it,
what do I replace it with? I've noticed a trend in the -- we'll call
it quality -- of questions posted by new users on the mailing list.
If they don't have a GUI/web administration tool then they do not
have the technical knowledge (or incentive) to use the system in
general. I've gotten questions off-list where I have to ask, should
this person even be running a server?
I think for this group of people a GUI/web-GUI is a must. They will
not be able to use the system otherwise. For this reason I hesitate
to completely remove vqadmin. Maybe if I make it a package that is
not installed by default? Really it would only be removed from the
install scripts, and we would be forcing users to go out of their
way to choose a web administration method or learn the CLI. What
does everyone think of that?
<my message gets long after this point, and I do rant some, so feel
free to skip it>
<okay, I rant a lot>
Another stream this topic brushes on is the commercial/pay versus
open source and free (not the same thing people!).
I took the project over and contribute to it because I support open
source. I run this particular project (and contribute to several
others) because I like the idea and want to keep the spirit alive.
I also run my own business, so I look at things through two
different sets of glasses.
Why did I make 2 different versions of QControl? Because open source
doesn't generate revenue unless specifically designed to do so. Most
open source projects plan on generating revenue based upon support.
We have a *great* support system here in the mailing list, so
commercial support is generally not needed.
Donations do not work: I had the QMT-ISO domain for 2 years. In that
2 years (after 2500+ downloads, 900+ petabytes in traffic) I never
received donation one. When a user was questioning why they had to
pay for the download of CentQMT5, I explained exactly why I was
charging for it - and they donated $10 to the QTP project. QTP is
another project that had a donation box up for a couple years that
only received the one donation.
While I did receive some thanks from both projects, that does not
cover costs. I am slimming the project down some to reduce my costs,
but for a while there I was spending a couple hundred dollars a
month on server space, rack space, bandwidth costs, etc. AND I was
expected to provide free support on the mailing list - people
actually get mad and occasionally call me names when they contact me
off-list for support and I tell them for the level of support they
need they must pay.
From a business standpoint, this project is very much like our
(United States) economy - a big hole that money was shoveled into in
the hopes that it will turn out better in the future. Before I took
the project over I had a good taste of what was to be expected (from
the QMT-ISO and QTP projects), so this was no big shock.
I charge for QControl to make some money. You won't willingly send
me any money so I charge for the software. Plain and simple.
I couldn't give up my "free" ideals, so I made a version that allows
you to control one domain and give that one away. Maybe you'll buy
the other one in the future. At least I didn't price it on a
commercial scale - it's still inexpensive enough for anyone.
And before you rant about my greedy habits and nazi-esque viewpoint,
understand that I'm pretty much only covering costs at this point. I
still run/maintain the entire QMT project with no incentive, and you
get the benefits for nothing.
Is $30 really that expensive? Then sit down, write your own, send it
to me, and I'll place it on the website.
I don't include the QControl package in the main QMT trunk because
it is not free. While it does have a free component, I shudder to
think of the emails I would receive (and names I would be called) if
I added a package into the fray that did not allow certain users to
run their business and generate them income and then forced them to
pay for something.
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