Hi Josef
So you are right. The beginning with qx is very difficult for non java or
JavaScript experts. I mean experts in the right matter.
I the moment I am testing new developers at my company with qx (Qooxdoo). They
just have to make a table in 24 hours. So if he can handle it, he is worth to
work with the team ;)
I guess the dev team of qx wants to hold a standard of class of interested
devs. I mean no body wants to hear "ah Qooxdoo I heard about it, isn't it a
script kiddy framework?"
So I can accept that the docs, demos and examples are for experts.
Don't understand me wrong. I am one of this script kiddies who tries to play
with the big ones.
So I guess qx website is good as it is. And I never see a mailing list like
this, as you explained before. So thanks to all official and inofficial devs.
If we wants to make qx more handy for us newbees, so we should write our own
fan sites with well structured tutorials. So if any one is interested in it
would me a pledger to be involved in such a project.
Before I stop bubbling, let me say that the broken links are not the fault of
the qx team. Sourceforge is giant in sharing svn, but at the moment he is
stumbling.
Regards Mustafa Sak
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 02.02.2011 um 12:21 schrieb josefkoller <koller.jo...@t-online.de>:
>
> Hi Mustafa,
>
> your right. the best is to close this thread.
> But first my summery about the first week with qooxdoo as a beginner:
>
> 1. qooxdoo is the best I found with keyword "Javascript framework".
> 2. better than the framework self is the qoocdoo forum.
> I never read comments like (in other javascript forums offen) learn
> javascript at first, read tutorial "Hello world", ect.
> I never read a "bad" comment to my offen overloaded comments.
> 3. now the bad ones.
>
> The documentation and/or the demobrowser, ect. still a disaster. Please
> remember i speak in beginner words. A proffessional in qooxdoo needs no
> demos or others only the apiviewer in some situations.
>
> An example very offen in building an application you need datas. So I went
> to the demobrowser searched for a datagrid. After a while I found this thing
> named table. Ok I found some demos to table. Than clicking to table. I nice
> looking table are on the screen.
> Than clicking to the JSCode (your main interest is to create such a thing).
> In this script the first knockout. The structure in this demo looks not like
> your generated code in your Applications.js. How to use this democode as a
> beginner? Hmmh the first thought the forum. so you write your first post.
> Answer: You cann't use the examples not by copy/paste. You only can use some
> peases of code for your Application.js.
>
> Ok. I copied the lines inside the createTable : function() {
> for example beginning with this line:
>
> var rowData = this.createRandomRows(50);
>
> // table model
> var tableModel = this._tableModel = new qx.ui.table.model.Simple();
>
> Hmmh... the next problem: Where is the function createRandomRows????
>
> ect. ect.
>
> So you search and click, search and click. You come from one to tousand
> interest things. But nothing helps.
>
> You have this problems with most of the democode in my example connect to a
> php site to get datas from this site, ect.
>
> No samples from the qooxdoo site, no sample with a php page. Only broken
> links not working servers, ect. See my martyrdom in the posts before.
>
> My wishlist:
> 1. Please give the demobrowser another structure. Don't extend things from
> others without showing the extended classes.
> Write your demos in a way that a beginner can use it in the Application.js.
> This is the "playground" that the installation routines creates for you.
>
> I cann't do nothing with this lines from the demobrowser:
>
> qx.Class.define("demobrowser.demo.table.Table",{
> extend : demobrowser.demo.table.TableDemo,
>
> 2. Please repair this lot of broken links in the qooxdoo sites.
> 3. Contributions
> Here the same problem. Lot of info's lot of links but not a clear
> structere. I think to the plugin structure of eclypse or aptana or others.
> You have main page with a list of pugins,
> a link (descriptions or to the page of the creator)
> a download button or a path to include the plugin into your configuration.
>
> In qooxdoo you find sometimes a svn hint. But in most of the cases the
> server is not available or the links are broken.
>
> Summery in summery:
> Please give the demos another structure, delete or repair the broken links,
> define a download button for download necessary files to recreate some
> examples.
>
> Now I will start again with my qooxdoo application creating.
>
> The next basic problem (debugging) is in my mind. But I will open an other
> tread.
>
> Thanks again for patience to all.
>
> Josef
>
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