Hi Loren
I don¹t really see much of the website components, probably this is not
helped by the fact that I¹m not actively trying to use them but I can¹t see
anything exciting about them, especially when compared to other libraries;
Mobile is a different story and a lot a work has happened there and I¹m
looking forward to when I need to use it. I still use jQuery (in
non-Desktop work) because the libraries and widgets are so much better;
ironically I still use a cut down version of the Qooxdoo type system I wrote
years ago.
With each passing year there seems to be less and less involvement of the
community in Qooxdoo it feels less of an OS project sponsored by 1&1, more
an internal project at 1&1 that allows the community to get a copy of the
code. Partly that¹s due to a shrinking community and ever quieter mailing
list (I¹m guessing that a lot of team communication is not public), but
whatever the reason it¹s not good.
I can¹t see many people evaluating Qooxdoo against comparable libraries and
seeing a shrinking membership as anything but a huge risk (or career
suicide).
John
From: Loren Schlomer <[email protected]>
Reply-To: qooxdoo Development <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, 27 May 2014 18:51
To: qooxdoo Development <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [qooxdoo-devel] New contrib website
Note: I understand this probably isn't the best thread for this, but the
discussion about contribs has prompted me to write the following.
I think part of it is projects wrapping up, so I would agree with you there,
however I think over the last year or so, development on qooxdoo has been
more focused on the Web components, which until recently was essentially
only a jQuery clone/replacement - useful for staying inside the qooxdoo
ecosystem, but not really useful for generating new interest from developers
and adopters.
Meanwhile, the Desktop components have seemingly reached their feature
completeness and no new advances are happening, relying on contribs for new
controls and fancy new features. As far as feature sets are concerned,
qooxdoo falls way short of Sencha or Isomorphic's SmartClient. However,
comparatively, developing for either of those toolkits is about as fun as a
root canal. The qooxdoo type system is still the bread and butter. That
said, selling the type system as opposed to having Pivot tables and graphs
and charts and [insert feature X here] to a professional development team
interested in giving their user base a fuller, richer experience is a pretty
tall order.
And because the qooxdoo type system is its #1 feature and selling point, I
think it stands on a very fragile, precarious pedestal right now. With
arguments.callee being deprecated from ECMA, some changes are necessarily
going to happen (eventually...)
Added to this, using the qooxdoo type system as a non-gui development
platform is becoming less and less important too, with Typescript gaining
popularity and ECMA6 right around the corner. From an adoption viewpoint,
this may be a hurdle or an opportunity for qooxdoo.
I know I will continue to be a qooxdoo advocate at every opportunity, but it
feels like the rich internet is moving forward and is beginning to leave
qooxdoo behind.
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 8:47 AM, John Spackman <[email protected]>
wrote:
> 2 or 3 years ago, Qooxdoo was thriving and increasing it¹s membership but
> that¹s all changed the mailing list is constantly going down, contrib
> activity has virtually dried up, and it seems that the majority of team
> communication goes via private channels (at least, not via the mailing list).
>
> I don¹t believe that people loose faith in Qooxdoo once they¹ve got to grips
> with it, rather that projects end and we don¹t get any new users. IMHO
> David¹s right: nobody knows about it.
>
> What happened?
>
> John
>
> From: David Charbonnier <[email protected]>
> Reply-To: qooxdoo Development <[email protected]>
> Date: Tuesday, 27 May 2014 16:27
> To: qooxdoo Development <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [qooxdoo-devel] New contrib website
>
>
> +1000 compared to something like npm... Qooxdoo is definitively the best
> JavaScript framework with the oo model but nobody know it and that's a shame.
>
> Le 27 mai 2014 06:35, "John Spackman-3 [via qooxdoo]"
> <[email protected]
> <mailto:ml-node%[email protected]> > a écrit :
>> Hi,
>>
>> I¹m glad to see that contribs are getting some new attention with the new
>> page, but the way we have to go about it is way over complicated.
>>
>> In order to author a contrib, I must have a fork of your contrib-catalog in
>> my Github account, clone it to my desktop, edit the Manifest (which is
>> largely a duplicate of the one in my contrib.¹s repo), commit it, push it,
>> and issue a pull request.
>>
>> When I want to release an update to my contrib, I have to download the Github
>> tar ball to my contrib, checksum it, pull your catalog, edit, commit, push,
>> issue a pull request.
>>
>> Sorry, but this is a ridiculous. There are precious few commits to contribs
>> anyway, and this does absolutely nothing to help foster community spirit or
>> encourage collaboration.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
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