On 31/05/2014 10:44, "thron7" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Let me throw in one aspect concerning the new contrib system:
>
>It maintained the original idea of shiftig load from *using* a
>contribution to *maintaining* that contribution. The unbeloved hash
>sum over a contribution has the sole purpose to allow for *automatic
>freshness checks*.

The other side of that coin is that automatic upgrades can cause their own
problems - if making a minor change and simply running the generator
forced an upgrade to the latest version of every contrib that could
introduce incompatibilities, making it hard to maintain older projects.


>The discussion in this thread was largely a contrib authors'
>discussion, and I haven't seen contrib users raise their voices.

I¹d be interested to hear from contrib users too - if only to get a sense
of how many there are. This thread has turned into a question of whether
there¹s anybody out there.

Contrib authors are a good measure of the community though - you only have
to see the commit logs on SF to see how little activity there has been
there in the last few years (obviously, non SF repos not included).  As
David Charbonnier said, users in an active community will reengage and
contribute, so where are the contributions if there are contrib users?


>From: David Charbonnier <[email protected]>
>Qooxdoo is gonna die and even if it's not a priority for one&one to have
>a community it's very interesting for one&one that qooxdoo don't become a
>burthen. You are *excellents* computer engineers you've made this library
>leading by far in terms of computer science many years ago but you never
>had any plan for creating a community and you never had a designer that
>could make people desire using this library. Look at extjs the first well
>known version was very bad but the design was so great that everybody
>wanted to use it. Look at node it looks so easy to create a project (and
>I can tell you it's far from the reality when you create medium size
>projects) that you instantly have a giant community. Look at npm
>everybody can add a contribution in 5 minutes and you have 76000
>contribution (~10 with a good quality ;)
>Maybe it's too late, I was one of the qooxdoo supporter (and I don't
>think we are many) and I will probably not use qooxdoo anymore, that make
>me sad.
>

I¹m quite worried that this is the case - the project is clearly not
engaging new users and that¹s to the detriment of all, whether 1&1 or the
rest of us.


How come the user base is shrinking at a time when web based development &
deployment is on the rise?  Building large scale web apps has always been
Qooxdoo¹s great ability, a pretty fantastic achievement that¹s being
squandered away.

John




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