One thing to remember,

Most open source projects are the efforts of people spanning many miles, 
countries (and possibly continents.)  Coordinating efforts over a public 
mailing system is very natural.

Now, I may be entirely wrong on this, and I hope the qooxdoo guys will 
correct me... but, I understand that all of the core qooxdoo team is 
under one roof at the 1&1 office, communicating primarily face-to-face 
and over private corporate email.  This may prove far more productive 
for their work flow (which I imagine includes more than just qooxdoo 
related tasks) than public mailing lists.  This is not to say they 
couldn't open up their qooxdoo development efforts more, but I imagine 
they would need to separate the qooxdoo project from its corporate 
sponsorship of 1&1.  The decision makers at 1&1 may not be open to that 
idea.

Yes, qooxdoo is an open source project with every sense of the phrase, 
yes it can be forked and turned into something more what you expect an 
open source project to be, but since the core qooxdoo team earns their 
living developing for 1&1, the decision to make qooxdoo development 
cycles more open may currently be beyond the core developers' 
capabilities.

Just something to remember when forming opinions on the state of qooxdoo 
development.


I'm just super glad and happy to have what we have. :)

-ls






On 2014-12-05 09:31, Phyo Arkar wrote:
> Yes , exactly.
> For example , Rethinkdb, their whole development process is very Open
> , everything is on mailing list + github that i can follow every after
> 3 months of not reading mailing list.
> 
> If qooxdoo is that open , many good things will happen.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:00 PM, John Spackman <john-li...@zenesis.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Martin & Andreas
>> 
>> Interesting , I am now very curious abot followings.
>> 
>> * Thats means , this can be themed using CSS? (Like Bootstrap
>> CSS?)
>> * How about Layout system , will layout systems of qooxdoo will
>> kept there ? Templating? Can we mix with other template systems
>> (Bootstrap Templates , Zurb Foundation) ?
>> * Will it be easier to mix with other JS?
>> 
>> We are happy with our agile approach and the intermediate results
>> while addressing specific challenges of the website-oriented
>> projects. Thus we like to share this good news, well-aware that many
>> of you won’t be able to benefit from this experimental code base
>> any time soon.
> 
> I find Phyo’s questions above really interesting and relevant, but I
> can’t help thinking that if the dev team’s internal discussions
> were on an open mailing list we’d be much more up to speed already,
> without needing you guys to write a big article(s) with all the
> explanations, justification, example code, etc that a major new
> product would require.
> 
> IMHO having an open dev-only mailing list could be constructive and
> time saving for you, as well as stimulating for us and the project’s
> public face.
> 
> Regards
> John
> 
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