I suppose you can say "the Johns" brought it up, but the FACT is... it was Dick Cheney who first brought it up in the VP debate. After Cheney talked about his daughter, Edwards reponded. Then Cheney simply thanked Edwards for his kind words.
Everyone is acting like Kerry suddenly outed her! She's on the campaign trail trying to drum up support for the lesbian vote, for cryin out loud!
(I haven't been reading much... I kept seeing the Subject: "The 'L' word..." and thought you all were bashing 'L'iberals)
Honestly, I think all the hubbub is because the Bush/Cheney campaign is upset over the fact that in both the VP debate, where Cheney brought up the "L" word and his daughter in an answer to the moderator's question on a gay marriage ban, and the last Presidential debate where the president's proposed amendment came up again, Kerry/Edwards had an answer and Bush/Cheney did not. AND because they were expecting the "L"iberals to be on the attack in a response when instead, they were nice in their answers.
President Bush, who personally knows someone in his "Presidential Family Circle" who is homosexual, just plain messed up when he answered "I don't know" to a simple question about what he believed.
On the other side, Kerry had an answer that, frankly, complimented Mary Cheney for knowing "who she really is" ... something many, many people can't do for themselves no matter how much they profess as much.
On the question, "Do you believe homosexuality is a choice?"
BUSH: You know, Bob, I don't know. I just don't know. I do know that we have a choice to make in America and that is to treat people with tolerance and respect and dignity. It's important that we do that.He simply didn't have an answer for what he believes with regard to whether homosexuality is a choice or the result of biological circumstances... just like being born male or female. Instead, he talked about marriages and amedments and judges and courts.And I also know in a free society people, consenting adults can live the way they want to live.
And that's to be honored.
But as we respect someone's rights, and as we profess tolerance, we shouldn't change -- or have to change -- our basic views on the sanctity of marriage. I believe in the sanctity of marriage. I think it's very important that we protect marriage as an institution, between a man and a woman.
KERRY: We're all God's children, Bob. And I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as.Kerry --I think if you talk to anybody, it's not choice. I've met people who struggled with this for years, people who were in a marriage because they were living a sort of convention, and they struggled with it.
And I've met wives who are supportive of their husbands or vice versa when they finally sort of broke out and allowed themselves to live who they were, who they felt God had made them.
I think we have to respect that.
The president and I share the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. I believe that. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman.
1) answered the question,
2) expressed his belief, how he came to it, and his own experiences that formed it,
3) agreed with the president's position on gay marriage itself (not the amendment -- the belief), and
4) expressed what I saw as a compliment of Mary Cheney's conviction of knowing "who she is."
The problem with the responses to the question was just that it almost made it seem as though Kerry knew Mary Cheney better than Bush did and that Kerry had actually thought about this question. It seemed that such a question had never crossed Bush's mind.
Bush completely flubbed this one and 'his side' hates it.
On a side note, I've been wondering:
Have you ever said anything even approaching decent or nice
about a democratic candidate? Or in subtle agreement with one?
Have you ever found any simple little fault or disagreement with the republican
candidate? (Bush can only think of a couple justices he shouldn't
have picked.)
Best regards,
Tod
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stuntman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
Ha ha ha, U R funny.
Both Johns brought it up during the de'baits', definitly deliberate
and
a low blow tactic. They can deny it all year long. But it just shows
how "liberal" modern Libs have become.
Stuntman
