If an embryo is created from a human sperm and a human egg, in nature or by science in a lab, then it is a human being. So an embryo created from a human egg and a somatic cell is not human. That is where I personally draw the line.

At 11:53 AM 5/27/2005, QuadPirate wrote:
Not a bad point Jim but an embryo can not form by itself in a petri dish.
It still needs to be physically put in a womb or test tube just like the sperm needs an egg.
So where do you draw the line.
Adam didn't need an embryo or sperm so where does life begin?
 
Mark 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Jim Lubin
Date: 05/27/05 13:15:31
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research
 
At 08:12 AM 5/27/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
    I still don't get the whole cell thing............If people want to get high tech.....then every time a human has sex and does not reproduce then thousands of unborn sperm cells die---this can be from using a condom-having tubes tied-birth control of any type. Each one of these that die are unborn cells also........I don't look at that as killing life, I think some things are just blown out of porportion.
                                                                          Dan

A sperm and an egg are human haploid cells or gametes (sex cells). Haploid cells have a single set of chromosomes in each cell. Most higher organisms are diploid � that is, they have two sets � but their gametes (sex cells) are haploid.

In the document "Scientific and Therapeutic Use of Human Embryonic Stem Cells" http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdlife/documents/rc_pa_acdlife_doc_20000824_cellule-staminali_en.html

On the basis of a complete biological analysis, the living human embryo is - from the moment of the union of the gametes - a human subject  with a well defined identity, which from that point begins its own  coordinated, continuous and gradual development, such that at no later stage can it be considered as a simple mass of cells

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