Re: [QUAD-L] Stem Cell Bill Killed

[Oconnelldb]

That's my problem too Mark.  Kill the embryo today and it's ok,  kill it next week and it's murder.  Not in MY book.   Now to clarify another point, I believe that a soul does not enter an embryo until it draws it's first breath.  That would be when it is born and sufficiently mature to breathe.  Killing a human with no soul is slightly less 'evil' that killing one with a soul.     I also believe that our creator is marveling at our ability to manipulate HIS building blocks to make up for HIS oversights.  The spinal cord is definitely an inferior design compared with some of nature's regenerative components.   I'm sure HE is smiling and wondering what we will come up with next - after all, we are using the brain HE gave us.   I personally don't think HE's all that with us recycling physical parts since we haven't a clue how to tinker with the spiritual part,..... yet. Maybe HE will make HIS wishes known if and when we get there. O'C         In a message dated 7/20/2006 12:47:38 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me get this straight, if you throw the embryos in the trash they're called left over waste. If you research them, your killing human beings.     Mark     -------Original Message-------   From: Jim Lubin Date: 07/20/06 12:54:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Stem Cell Bill Killed   (O'C, I'm copying this from comments I made on another list to respond to you) At 07:35 PM 7/19/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where were these EXTRA embryos headed otherwise Jim?    I thought 'we' were going to try to use these EXTRA embryos that were going to be destroyed for medical research BEFORE we destroyed them.  I thought 'we' were going to make eyeballs, kidneys, and neurons with these stem cells before we flushed the leftovers.  I'm sure I'm missing something here.  Please fill in the blanks. O'C I've never thought of myself as part of the "Christian Right" as you say (I am a Roman Catholic) but agree with president Bush on this and I will explain way. I do belive that a human egg and human sperm make a human being from the time they are joined, from that point the zygote contains all the 46 chromosomes need to be human. It's called an embryo after about 10 days. Being a human, it is entitled to protection to life from the Government. Therefore, the Government should not be funding the destruction of life for the purpose of research. Now your opinion of when a human is a human and entitled to protection obviously differs from mine and president Bush. You can decide for yourself when a human becomes a human that is entitled to protection. Some people thing after birth and not before. I'm against IVF treatments as well because it creates extra embryos in the process. As for using those extra embryos in research for the possible benefit of others, just because they are going to be destroyed anyway, following that reasoning, here's my problem with that. A person with a traumatic brain injury or in a coma being kept alive on ventilator will never be completely healed and will die without the life-support, so why not harvest their body parts to improve someone else's life? I see both equally wrong.  The Nazi's conducted medical research on the people they were going to kill anyway. I see it as the same. Now, if scientist want to use stem cells derived from a human egg and another cell, somatic cell nuclear transfer (SCNT), I don't consider that a human and have no problem with research on those stem cells.     Dave www.daveoconnell.com c3-inc-1967