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Your right on Dave! Nature has to take its
coarse, if every embryo became a human the world would be so over populated no
one could servive. Were already on the road to self destruction, hell if
nature took it's coarse none of us quads would alive to worry about stem
cells. Don't get me wrong I won't to walk again, and im glad for modern
medicine that save so many lives. Think about it! Not so long ago
when someone was critical there was no cure so nature took it's coarse. I
think Bush doesn't won't to see a cure , same way as he's put so many in harms
way all over the world. Nature means less population!
Silas
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Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the "Big
Picture"
Jim,
How do you feel about us killing cows and chickens to eat? What
about euthanizing dogs and cats at the pound to control the population?
Do rats and monkeys fall into the protected group? How about
killing flys and mosquitoes - they feed the larger animals you know.
In a related point - our Catholic priest said today birth control like
condoms, creams and IUDs are a violation of God's natural law but family size
can be regulated by practicing abstinence during times of fertility. He
didn't cover vasectomies or tubal ligations but I think those would be
considered violations of natural law as well.
As long as 'God's natural law' is the topic, where do you think
artificial resuscitation figures in? If you blow somebody's lungs up a
few times and he comes out of it is that different than breathing for him the
rest of his life? The lines get pretty fuzzy.
Dave
P.S. I believe in the natural law that the strongest survive and the rest
are at their mercy.
In a message dated 7/23/2006 2:15:12 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At 01:27 PM 7/23/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is not ok to kill people. We
are talking about exploiting the availability of human tissue. Just stem
cells. These are not and never will be humans. These are unassigned cells.
They have no thoughts, no ambitions, no sense of self, and most
importantly, no womb.
If I gave you all the pieces of a an automobile,
you would not own a car. Even a good mechanic would only own junk because
of the lack of tools. It isn't the big picture, its the small
minds.
john Just another
thought about what should be considered "a human life". At this point in
time, I do believe that a human egg and human sperm make a human being from
the time they are joined, from that point the zygote contains all the 46
chromosomes need to be human and it continues to develop.
When NASA
scientist talk about "life on Mars" they are talking about microscopic
bacteria.
- ALH84001 - The Life on Mars meteorite
- On August 7, 1996, an historic press conference was held at NASA
Headquarters in Washington DC. News that scientists had found evidence of
life in a Mars meterorite had leaked out, and NASA had to make an
announcement. A few minutes before, President Clinton made these remarks
at the White House before heading out on a trip to California:
- "This is the product of years of exploration and
months of intensive study by some of the world's most distinguished
scientists. Like all discoveries, this one will and should continue to
be reviewed, examined and scrutinized. It must be confirmed by other
scientists... I am determined that the American space program will put
its full intellectual power and technological prowess behind the search
for further evidence of life on Mars."
- At the press conference, several scientists from NASA and Stanford
University announced their findings -- they confirmed that they had found
evidence of ancient, fossilized, microscopic life from a Martian
meteorite, known as ALH84001.
- Implications of Mars Life
- While the life they talked about was only microscopic, it has
several implications for us macroscopic creatures. If life on Mars is ever
proven to exist (or have existed at some point in time), it would mean
that the creation of life is not something that happens because of freak
chance or divine influence, but is in fact a probable occurrence given the
right conditions. Even further, if all that life requires is an
aqueous solution like liquid water to grow and thrive (which is the
current theory), then the universe is literally teeming with life. The
suspected liquid water oceans on some of Jupiter's moons (Europa and
Callisto) could be filled with life, and life could still be present
underneath the Martian surface, where liquid water and thermal energy are
still present.
- (source: http://www.marsnews.com/focus/life/
)
No one called those scientist "nuts" or "lunatics".
President Clinton called them "some of the world's most distinguished
scientists."
If that's what scientist consider "life" then why not,
on the basis of a complete biological analysis, the living human embryo -
from the moment of the union of the gametes - should be considered a human
being with a well defined identity? (paraphrased from the document "Scientific and Therapeutic Use of Human
Embryonic Stem Cells" http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdlife/documents/rc_pa_acdlife_doc_20000824_cellule-staminali_en.html
).
Given the right conditions, the human
embryo will continue to develop and grow.
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Jim
Lubin
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http://makoa.org/jim
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