I agree Jim, Freedom of Speech should not be abused but used responsibly.
We’ve had this discussion many times without getting too personal. Mark Jackson RollinOn _____ From: Jim Lubin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:40 PM To: Angie Novak Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] freedom of speech Angie, I don't know how much you watch the news, but everyday there seems to be someone who is forced to apologies for calling someone a racial slur or homosexual slur. So what makes it okay to demean and insult someone's religious beliefs? We were having a civil debate on embryonic stem cells where people were voicing why they were for or against it, without insulting each other or someone's beliefs. Jim At 10:25 AM 4/10/2007, Angie Novak wrote: I disagree. Even hate speech falls under freedom of speech. If it didn't, people would be in jail for just speaking their minds. That's not America. Jim Lubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You can't use "freedom of speech" to justify hate speech. It was completely uncalled for, as were most of his other rants. At 07:37 AM 4/10/2007, Angie Novak wrote: Freedom of speech, Dan T. -Angie Dan T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: John, you're getting offensive... Dan T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the excess eggs should be served at communion. Like the caviar of Christ or something. Maybe add a caudacill from Mary -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts So what do you do with the thousands of excess fertilized eggs that result from in vitro fertilization? Store them forever? Ban the process? These excess eggs are thrown into the garbage everyday yet I don't hear anyone complaining. So what's your answer. Dan At 07:50 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response: Glad to see you partly agree with me Dan. (yes I realize you were being sarcastic) I don't agree with the part about having elaborate funerals and burying them, but yes we must not destroy unused fertilized eggs created for IVF treatments. Using unused embryos is not the same as organ donation because organ donor are dead before organs are harvested. Removing stem cells from an embryo kills the embryo. I've listened to Dr Kerr from Johns Hopkins talk a few times about his research. HYPERLINK "http://www.hopkinsneuro.org/tm/"http://www.hopkinsneuro.org/tm/ watch his presentation at the 2006 symposium here HYPERLINK "http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2767307331641285489&hl=en"http://vi deo.google.com/videoplay?docid=2767307331641285489&hl=en he mentioned that they want to use the embryos created for IVF that are deformed (something to that effect) and can not be used for in-vitro treatment. Now I can go along with using those that could not be used to result in a pregnancy. I agree with S. 30: A bill to intensify research to derive human pluripotent stem cell lines At 06:35 PM 4/7/2007, Dan wrote: Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those useless fertilized eggs. We should let them perish on their own and then we should have an elaborate funeral and bury them in a tiny little plot of earth. AND we must not allow abortion at ANY cost. Thank you Jesus! Hallelujah! Dan, who always gives great credence to anything authored by a reverend. At 06:15 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response: SIX STEM CELL FACTS There are non-controversial alternatives worth exploring; such as the reprogramming of ordinary somatic (body) cells, the derivation of stem cells from amniotic fluid, and (assuming that it can be shown that the product is not an embryo), altered nuclear transfer. Concerns about embryo destruction are not only religious; but merely a healthy respect for the human capacity for doing evil in pursuit of the good. The search for cures is not the only motive behind ESC research,; many scientists are interested only in enhancing basic scientific knowledge of such things as cell signaling, tissue growth and early human development. Source: Robert P. George and Thomas V. Berg, "Six Stem Cell Facts," Wall Street Journal, March 14, 2007. For text: HYPERLINK "http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117384191108736444.html"http://online.wsj.c om/article/SB117384191108736444.html _____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at HYPERLINK "http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000437"AOL.com . HYPERLINK "http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49935/*http:/games.yahoo.com"Bored stiff? Loosen up... HYPERLINK "http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49935/*http:/games.yahoo.com"Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! 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