I've been on two commitees to design and build housing locally for handicapped 
people. One thing I learned was handicapped people are hard on bathroom floors. 
If you treat the entire bathroom like its the floor of the shower, cleanups and 
mildew are much simpler to handle. It's expensive at 1st, but you save big on 
disasters that you don't have. 

Extreme home makeovers have products they want to sell. Disability products are 
such a small part of the remodeling market, I'd rather bet on getting struck by 
lightening on a sunny day. I'd be happy to live in an apartment that I helped 
get built but somehow, being on the commitee would make my living there a 
conflict of interest. 

The first handicapped accesible section 8 apartments I worked on are now filthy 
slums where the term disability was twisted to mean alcoholic and drug addict. 
On my last visit there were no machines in the laundry room. they had been sold 
by a tennant that was mentally ill. The building security system no longer 
existed and the entire first floor was being run by a pimp. The city claimed 
they spent 20g a year on security. You guessed it, the pimp got 20g a year. The 
city has since sold it to a judge. (the uncle of the pimp)

The second building I worked on was to be run by local presbytery under Bush's 
plan to let charities take over things the gov't sucks at. That is suspended 
untill the federal gov't finds money it isn't sending to Iraq. Sure feel bad 
for the crippled soldiers coming back.

I'm trying to get the city interested in a building strictly for spinal cord 
injuries that require wheelchairs but no takers yet. As one councilman said, 
"we already have all the good parking places!"

Where ever you're at, don't give up. Remember, Only lawyers believe lawyers are 
needed. Keep them out. They are put on earth to make sure we all believe in 
hell.

good luck,
john 


----- Original Message ----
From: Nichole Rohling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: John S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Quadlist <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 12:05:51 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] About the roll in shower


DO YOU LIVE ON SOCIAL SECURITY? MAYBE THEY WOULD DO THIS ON EXTREME HOME 
MAKEOVER.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: John S. 
To: Tim Thompson ; Nichole Rohling 
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] About the roll in shower


You really do need a shower chair, but I found these bathrooms need a copper 
subfloor with a special tile that drains to a universal drain in the bathroom. 
The tile has microgrooves to direct the water to the drain and theres very 
little tilt. The copper subfloor is needed because anything  you do may fail in 
one or more places and the copper can also be designed to drain. I like putting 
a heated cement subfloor below the copper. Along with a vent fan the bathroom 
needs a small fan stirring the air for about 10 minutes after you leave it. It 
should be set to turn on every 12 hours if its not used. This helps stop mold 
and mildew from forming.
 
john


----- Original Message ----
From: Tim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Nichole Rohling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:16:11 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] About the roll in shower


Ha ha,
You need a SHOWER CHAIR.
And no, they're not elec.
stunt


 
On 9/30/07, Nichole Rohling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
The only problem is me and my electric chair together weigh over 400 lbs. I 
have mirrors in my corner shower so I can wheel in at an angle and fix my hair 
and I turn sideways to put on my make-up - I don't think fiberglass or pre-fab 
could hold the weight without it eventually cracking. i'd like to pour concrete 
and have my entire bathroom concrete 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: RONALD L PRACHT 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 10:40 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] About the roll in shower

 
Hey,
When I was trying to get my roll-in done I discovered a few things. Home Depot 
and Lowes have catalogs with various types of pre-made i believe fiberless roll 
in showers that can be ordered through them. 
 
My x gf had one put one in and it was pretty easy to install. All you do is 
build a stud(2x4) frame the size of the insert and slide the insert in. 
 
One prob was there was still a small lip to get over to get in shower. This 
could be solved by dropping the floor height where the insert is to be 
installed by 3/4 inch then it would be an even entrance pretty much. Just make 
sure you get a big enough shower. 
 
ron c7 







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