Hi W,

I too, do see you point. I have appreciated these exchanges with you and the
points raised by Lori. It is still disheartening to feel your bitterness, and
perhaps anger and resentment as well toward the people who are supposed to help
you. I get the disappointment at establishments. Getting through this program
itself requires me to jump through many unnecessary hoops. There is a lot of bs
going on everywhere though I don't think research is one of them. I think it is
possible to pick and choose the research you want to participate. Some of them
are certainly time-consuming while others only take a few minutes. Just so you
know I don't get a grade for doing this study. I'm at the end of my program,
and without doing this I cannot graduate. Contrary to other students who may
have access to more financial resources, I need to rely on the kindness of
others who are willing to help. You can say that I still have something to gain
from this and that would be true. However, my field is not a money-making
business when I do graduate. There are definitely those who choose to work with
rich clients or consumers who can afford to pay, but there are also many who
choose to work with consumers on a sliding scale fee. I see a therapist
regularly who charges me a sliding scale fee and saw me for free during the
time when I couldn't afford to pay anything but food and rent. I don't think
the service she provides is any less than someone else who would have charged
me more than $50 a session. I guess my point is that please think about who you
are helping to send out there in the field when you make your decisions about
which surveys or research to participate. I certainly hope that the people who
do fill out my survey are being honest about their responses or the whole point
of research is lost and benefits no one. 

No worries. I will remember everyone here and have always remembered those with
whom I come in contact in my journey. I hope also that you will come across
helping professionals in your path who are more concerned with helping than how
much money they are getting out of meeting you. Take care and best wishes,
Jenny

On Tue, Aug  5, 2008 05:02 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Hi Jenny
> 
>I see your point and hope that you will agree that some many of the members  
>here are 
>drenched in surveys and researchers, trying to take up our valuable time,  
>for their benefit, er, oops grade.
>You may not remember, but several of the members here have been thru the  
>Master's and Doctorate
>programs.
>Just last week I called a doctor and wanted to take with them and was told  
>that I needed an appointment and it would costs $55 dollars.  I advised the  
>office that my visit would take that long and perhaps save humanity as we know
 
>it...   Again, I was told to make an appointment and $55  dollars.
> 
>Nothing personal, but if you want tangible credibility, you pay for  it.  If 
>you are looking for a grade, take what you get.... and make the  most of it.
> 
>Good Luck in School
>And remember all of us in your journey
> 
>Best Wishes
>W
> 
>In a message dated 8/4/2008 11:22:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>I  appreciate your concerns. If I could pay everyone who participates, I  
>would.
>This study is not funded by psu or anyone but myself. The research  that you
>participated previously were most likely funded by people who can  afford to 
>pay
>out of their own pockets or by large organizations. I hope  that you don't 
>think
>that I don't think your knowledge is worth being paid.  I certainly don't 
>think
>of this as a game to be played. There are  definitely limitations to research,
>and sometimes the benefits don't reveal  themselves until much later when
>research has accumulated. One research  study only finds out certain things 
>and
>not everything, which is why you  may experience the fact that some questions
>are repeated or seem familiar.  A study can be different from another one 
>based
>on only one variable, and  this could mean that these two studies have a lot 
>of
>questions in common.  But only by making certain variables constant can
>researchers find out what  factor is most important. Besides the lack of
>financial funding, the other  reason for not paying every participant is that 
>it
>contributes a factor to  the research that has nothing to do with the research
>itself. It could  potentially include only the participants who want to be 
>paid
>and not  others who participate for other reasons. But like I said, if I could
>pay I  would. 
>
>Also, you may not think your participation will benefit a  certain population,
>by your knowledge adds to the existing knowledge base.  I also believe that
>people's experiences are individual, which is actually  what I'm trying to 
>find
>out through my research. This knowledge could help  shape the method 
>counselors
>and therapists work with clients or consumers.  I'm not going to be a future
>researcher, but a rehab counselor and I  believe in the benefits of this
>project. I respect your opinions and your  cynicism and you are free to not
>participate, but please do not dissuade  others who may be interested in
>participating or believe that there are  benefits to research. Thank you!
>
>Jenny    
>
>On Mon,  Aug  4, 2008 08:15 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>Amen  Lori!
>>Most Master and Doctor's candidates don't realize that most on  the list  
>have 
>>been thru the very same programs those who  question are just embarking  
>>on....  If they wish to play  with our knowledge, let them pay and pay  
>dearly.
>
>>Nothing  personal, but a person has to survive on their  knowledge.
>>  
>>Best Wishes
>>W
>> 
>> 
>>In a message dated  8/4/2008 7:11:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time,   
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>> 
>>Over the last  28 years as a quad I have seen/been sent more surveys  and  
>>questionnaires both by individuals and by organizations.  And for  a  while,
>played 
>>the game.  Even with the most obtuse  questions that would  never benefit 
>>anyone.
>> 
>>In  most cases, I feel like we are just another "target group" to use for   
>>someone to get kudos for this or grados for that.  I have filled  out  
>surveys
>and 
>>questionnaires from the most upstanding  disability organizations  but they 
>>are the same old blah, generic  questions over and over and over  and over
>again. 
>>  Ad  nauseum.
>> 
>>When all is said and done -- I have never seen it  benefit the spinal cord  
>>injured population.
>>  
>>Lori  
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:33 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) >  wrote:
>>
>>
>>With All Due Respect To You And Your  Project.......
>>Is someone posting on PSU's board that there are a bunch  of Quads  that
>>are ripe for any Master's Study Program?
>>  
>>Another national college study paid $20 dollars to each  candidate
>>who completed the 10-15 minute online research study.
>>  
>>We had another person that was looking for useable human  organs
>>and decided to try this list because of all the  Quads..........
>> 
>>A $25 dollar raffle is like a dangling carrot  that might be over ripe  to 
>the 
>>winner.
>> 
>>I don't  know.... maybe its just me.
>> 
>>Good Luck Doctor  Candidate!
>>W
>> 
>> 
>>In a message dated 8/4/2008  4:25:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]  (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])  writes:
>>
>>Hi   everyone,
>>
>>Greetings! I am a student in counseling and   rehabilitation currently 
>>conducting
>>research on chronic  illnesses and  disabilities and I need your help! There 
>is
>>very  little current  research on the psychosocial aspects of chronic  
>illnesses
>>and  disabilities. My survey has been approved by the  Office for  Research
>>Protections and Institutional Review Board  (IRB# 27939) at my  university- 
>>Feel
>>free to contact them  to find out if my research is  legit (814)-865-1775 or
>>e-mail  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   My survey  
>is 
>>completely  voluntary and anonymous.
>>It does ask for an  e-mail address at the end  only if you choose to enter 
>>into  a
>>raffle to win a $25 gift certificate  from Amazon.com 
>>To  comply with the Office for Research Protections I  need to give you the  
>>spiel
>>below. Within the letter below there is a  web link  directly you straight 
>to 
>>my
>>survey. Thank you so much in   advance for your help and participation!
>>
>>Best   wishes
>>Jenny
>>
>>Dear Prospective  Participant,
>>You  are cordially invited to participate in a  research study  examining
>>attitudes and feelings regarding  yourself and  disability-related 
>experiences.
>>This research study  is being conducted  by me as part of my dissertation at 
> 
>>The
>>Pennsylvania State University.  Your participation in  this research study 
>will
>>help counseling  professionals and  researchers understand various 
>experiences 
>>of
>>people  with  disabilities. You may also benefit from learning more   about
>>yourself and your experiences in the process of responding  to  survey 
>>questions
>>in this research study. Please  consider participating  if you:
>>1)    are 18 years or  older
>>AND
>>2)     have acquired a condition that  is considered to be a chronic illness 
>  
>>or
>>disability.
>>
>>If you meet the two criteria  listed  above, you are eligible to participate 
>in
>>this research  study. They  survey you will be asked to complete contains  6
>>questionnaires which  will take approximately 20-25 minutes.  Your 
>>participation
>>is voluntary  and you may discontinue  it at any time. No identifying 
>>information
>>is  requested.  The information collected and the results of this research   
>>study
>>will be used for research purposes only.  
>>
>>For every survey that is completed, I will donate $1.00 to  the  Make-A-Wish
>>Foundation. In addition, you may enter a raffle  drawing to  win a $25 gift
>>certificate from  Amazon.com.
>>
>>If you  wish to participate in this research  study, please click on  the
>>following link:  
>>
>>_http://www.psychdata.com/s.asp?SID4268_  
>>(http://www.psychdata.com/s.asp?SID4268)   
>>
>>which  will automatically take you to the website  containing the survey. At 
> 
>>the
>>end of the survey, you will  be asked to enter your e-mail address  if you 
>>choose
>>to  enter the raffle. Your e-mail address will not be  linked to your  
>responses
>>on the questionnaires. 
>>
>>Thank you for  considering to participate in this research   study!
>>Sincerely,
>>Jenny C.Chang, M.S.
>>Doctoral   Candidate
>>Department of Counselor Education, Counseling Psychology,  and  
>Rehabilitation
>>Services
>>The Pennsylvania State   Univesity
>>
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