Those will be pattern ones i’m sure. Maybe they are from a different company or they have improved the copy of the swirl pot since the tanks i saw.
You could ask if the swirl pot inside is metal or plastic, if it’s plastic theres a good chance it’s more like the genuine Ford version which is far more than a simple pot. Jim From: Derek Clews Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Injection petrol tanks (again) Ken, Given the very limited availability of tanks and starting from scratch, I would suggest you look at using your standard 40 Litre tank and sender and fit external pump(s) and aftermarket swirl pot. If you wanted the 1.4i european fiesta tanks Jim confirms it has a swirl pot inside and you still need the external fuel pump. I am not sure it's much better. The tank fitted to my coupe seems to be a specially made hybrid of the Fiesta tank and the Escort XR3i tank's swirl pot and internal pump. But have a look: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item5adab421a9&item=390216294825&nma=true&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&rt=nc&si=6QzfQXdXMe%252FD47tDK3Q4YlqJcbk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=n I have contacted them and they say they have a few left for sale. Derek On 19 Jul 2012, at 20:31, Ken Needham wrote: Hi, My CVH carb engine is in need of exchange and I would like to fit an EFI unit into my Saloon. Having read all the notes Jim has placed regarding the petrol feed requirement I will be in need of a new tank. Do you know if these tanks fit the saloon? If so where do I find one please? cheers Ken > Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Injection petrol tanks (again) > From: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:11:52 +0100 > To: [email protected] > > I can give you a link for the tanks - genuine Ford, I don't know but they are described correctly and there are a few left. > > Sender had three wires, two provide variable output of up to 150 Ohm and 200 Ohm inn opposition to each other against the earth. No numbers on the unit. It is mounted to the piping and makes a single item with pipes in/out and fuel pump. No recognisable numbers on it at all. Just a sticker that is now blank. > > Anyone got a Mk3 Gauge.............. ? > > Derek > > > > On 18 Jul 2012, at 08:37, Jim Hearne wrote: > > > You've found a source of genuine Ford 1.4i tanks ? > > > > I did try a Mk3 Fiesta setup in a Mk2 tank, it was too high to fit in the Mk2 tank. > > Any Ford part numbers on the sender, i can look them up. > > > > The Mk3 sender isn't compatible with the Mk2 gauge so yes, that could be the problem. > > > > Jim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Derek Clews > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 6:49 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Injection petrol tanks (again) > > > > That makes sense. > > > > I have found someone who can supply the Fiesta 1.4i tanks! But it will not be the same as mine then. Is it worth changing to one of these? > > > > I have been 'removing the dents' as best I can and will paint and replace this same one. Inside it is nice and clean, so that is something. I have read other XR2 web sites and it seems the Mk3 system has been used by others. Though later I might prefer a standard 40 litre tank with an external pump and swirl pot. It's just a case of finding the space for them. The current arrangement is very neat with everything inside the tank. (that is, until the bottom gets pushed in!) > > > > This swirl pot is just right to fit the standard tank profile, I assume it was from a Mk3 tank along with the pump and sender.(?) > > > > That being the case does that mean the sender is not compatible with the Mk 2 gauge and that was the problem all along? > > > > Derek > > > > > > On 17 Jul 2012, at 14:55, Jim Hearne wrote: > > > >> The Fiesta 1.4I tanks had an internal plastic swirl pot and then 2 pipe (one big, one small) that came out through the front of the tank to an external fuel pump. > >> This fixed into a curved recess on the front of the tank thats there on all Fiesta tanks even though it's only used on the EFI. > >> The fiesta centre tank is the same except the swirl pot is steel and doesn't work. > >> > >> Sounds like somebody has fitted a swirl pot with integral pump (maybe Mk3 Fiesta) into the Mk2 tank. > >> I did look into this myself but didn't find a swirl pot low enough to still let the tank fit up against the floor. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- From: Derek Clews > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:21 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Injection petrol tanks (again) > >> > >> Jim, > >> > >> Would the Fiesta injection tanks by Ford (for the European 1.4i) have fuel feed and return in the wall of the tank, not the top? If so, where was the fuel pump fitted? > >> > >> What was the arrangement of the old fiesta centre tanks? > >> > >> The one I have has the sender, fuel pump and electrics all on a large circular plate that fits in the top of the tank and rests inside the plastic swirl pot attached to the bottom of the tank. Now it's cleaned up it looks like the tank top has been cut and welded to get the pot inside and possibly the larger socket for the plate. Is it likely I have the fiesta centre tank? Or even a DIY one combining Fiesta and Escort with the XR3i EFi set up grafted in? > >> > >> If it is the old Fiesta Centre one then some of my running problems may be down to the rumoured bad swirl pot design. > >> > >> I have found a separate float! It's available from Holden around £6. Just as well as the old one is really crumbling as it's dried out. > >> > >> Derek > >> > >> > >> > >> On 16 Jul 2012, at 23:23, Derek Clews wrote: > >> > >>> Jim, that's a thought. This float looks like a fine foam rubber cylinder and part of it has broken off, so I may be able to work around what is left. But I recall many being a sealed plastic cylinder and wondered about getting a replacement. But they don't seem to be sold separately on the web. > >>> > >>> Derek > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 16 Jul 2012, at 22:13, Jim Hearne wrote: > >>> > >>>> If you can make up a suitable plug to go in the fuel filler hole, could you pressurise the tank with a hose to "pop" the dented section back out ? > >>>> A airline might also work but water is safer. > >>>> > >>>> The float on all the Mk2 tanks i've seen has just been a sealed plastic cylinder clipped into a loop on the end of the sender arm. > >>>> > >>>> Jim > >>>> > >>>> On 16/07/2012 18:40, Derek Clews wrote: > >>>>> I have removed my coupe fuel tank and it is an injection one with the plastic internal housing (swirl pot), fuel pump and sender. I have found the bottom of the tank has been pushed in quite a long way and the fuel pump was hard up against the bottom. The piping may have been bent to a different angle as well, difficult to tell at this point. Also the float has broken, though the sender does vary resistance with movement so this may be all that is wrong wit that. (if the angle of the unit were OK) > >>>>> > >>>>> The tank does not leak and I am wondering about trying to re shape it myself or even send it to a tank repairers. Anyone got any experience of this? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Also using alternative floats - any suggestions? I cannot see any floats from any car available separately so far they are all attached to senders. > >>>>> > >>>>> I know the injection tanks are rare and recent investigations prove that getting one made is very expensive. Alternatively, fitting a more standard non-injection tank with external pump(s) and after market swirlpot is a thought. 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