That is huge on a standard alternator! Must take an hour of running to recharge the battery after a cold morning start?
Derek > On 22 Mar 2021, at 17:52, Darren Siepka <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ah no , this is an auxiliary heater matrix, runs on 12v from the car! Pulls > like 80a or so! > See piccys. > > Darren > > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, 13:37 Derek Clews, <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > On my 2+2 rebuild I am going to fit a sump heater to use 240V to preheat the > oil in the engine to reduce wear and provide quicker heat for short journeys. > At present I have to drive around 5 miles before the car is up to > temperature. > > The energy required to heat water like you are doing using 12 V is a great > deal. How does that even work? Or is it 240V as well? Reading it again you > don't say. 240V only works when you are starting from home, not the works > car park. > > On a really cold day start I have been known to runout a cord and mains fan > heater to warm up the car before I go! > > Derek. > > >> On 22 Mar 2021, at 13:16, Darren Siepka <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> The electric elements as fitted to recent diesel OEM vehicles work amazingly! >> They do draw lots of leccy so beware. >> >> I have put one in supplement to the water radiator in my current 2+2 rebuild >> to enable near instant hot air upon startup , they reach temp in about >> 60seconds! >> I am using one from a focus/Volvo ( same parts) very simple to operate, a >> simple pwm signal sets the output, but there are other versions like the >> ones on Mk7 8 fiesta that use a multi wire approach to level setting. >> >> Darren >> >> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, 11:35 Derek Clews, <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> I have taken the low tech approach and just crack the windows open as >> necessary. Beginning to think the electric screen is the right idea. Pity >> they are only in clear colour as all my Q’s are light green glass. Put have >> wondered about the latest generation of electric blower demisters. Seems >> that are good enough for Caterham to get approved with only them fitted. >> >> Derek >> >> >>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 10:43, kynastonp . <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> When I built my saloon people were complaining about misting of the side >>> and rear windows , the factory suggested fitting the astramax vent in the >>> rear of the door opening . I also fitted vents under the rear window to >>> allow air through the parcel shelf and more vents from the sides of the >>> boot into the inner wing . Never had a problem after that . The vents some >>> people have fitted in the rear wings are from a Nissan bluebird from 1986 >>> onwards. >>> >>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> >>> From: [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Darren Siepka >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:17:48 AM >>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Ventilation >>> >>> Further to what Jim was saying about air pressure, >>> I was told that the venting assisted in making sufficient air movement in >>> the cabin to let the blower pull in air more easily whilst not causing a >>> negative differential to the outside which would have encouraged leaks.. >>> I have the grey Slat type vents in my saloon door post. >>> >>> The best fix for windscreen misting would be to put an electric heated >>> screen in , which are a straight fit :-) >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, 10:05 Jim Hearne, <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> My understand of the issue with the ventilation in the saloon was more >>> misting of the rear side windows and rear screen. >>> Hence the fitting of the vents in the B pillars (mine has those) or in the >>> rear quarters. >>> I don’t remember having any real issues on my saloon but it does also have >>> the splash guards in front of the front wheel arches. >>> >>> As you say, the only real exit from a unmodified saloon is via the door >>> hinge openings. >>> Although, remember when the door is shut 99% of that area is blocked off by >>> the other half of the hinge. >>> >>> I believe there have been cases of the bonded in glass popping out when >>> doors are slammed due to the air pressure. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> From: 'Bill Allison' via Quantum Owners Group <> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2021 8:12 PM >>> To: Quantum Owners Group <> >>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Ventilation >>> >>> John >>> >>> Am I correct in thinking that, like many Q saloon owners, you are troubled >>> with dampness in the cabin and the consequent high (in comparison with >>> mass-produced cars) tendency for windows to steam up and such? >>> >>> Prompted by a drive in torrential rain last year which caused the >>> windscreen to instantly and heavily steam up, reducing vision to near zero, >>> I investigated and as a result modified my Q as follows, which has resulted >>> in dramatic improvement. The mod is simple. Block off the heater air >>> intakes in the underside of the front wings just behind the headlights (I >>> used some nice springy closed cell polyurethane 50mm sponge cut oversize to >>> the roughly triangular shape of the intakes). The heater now draws air only >>> through the door hinge holes, where the air is relatively dry. The front >>> intakes, effectively within the wheel arch, drew not only moist air but >>> water droplets when driving in even quite light rain. Other owners have >>> fitted wing arch panels to shield the intakes from heavy tyre spray but I >>> believe that to be ineffective in the more extreme wet conditions. You will >>> be wondering whether the area of the hinge openings is sufficient, as was >>> I, but although I was prepared to drill a couple of additional 30mm dia >>> holes each side that has not been necessary. The area of the hinge holes is >>> approximately equal to the area of the gap around the lower (below >>> waistline) portion of the door and at 80cm2 each side appears to be >>> sufficient. >>> >>> B pillar vents - mine has them but I believe the only real benefit is on >>> the nearside, to prevent a build-up of petrol fume in the event of an >>> imperfect seal in any of the filler pipe joins. >>> >>> If you would like a chat to discuss further, my contact details are below. >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> Best regards >>> Bill >>> >>> Bill Allison >>> Borders Group of Advanced Motorists >>> National Observer (Cars) >>> www.facebook.com/BordersAdvancedMotorists >>> <http://www.facebook.com/BordersAdvancedMotorists> >>> >>> >>> >>> The contents of this message, and any attachments, may include information >>> that is private and confidential and should not be read by persons other >>> than the intended addressee(s). 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It also mentions that QSC are now using Astramax Van >>> vents in same position and Graham Lindley used vents in rear wing before >>> rear lights. >>> So which, if any of these work? >>> >>> Inside the door pillar on mine the hole matrix seems to have been covered >>> with some semi airtight mesh (or what's left of it) - was this standard or >>> someone trying to block off the holes becuase it does not work? >>> >>> The same QSC bulletin also states that with any of these methods the A >>> pillar tube alongside the windscreen must be blocked off with expanding >>> builders foam to form a dam to stop water getting in? - I guess there was a >>> concern that low pressure would cause water to be sucked in but not clear >>> exactly where that was likely to occur. 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