Thanks Chris, Just that sometimes the descriptions aren't that great!
Regards, Charlie On 2 November 2010 16:33, Chris Wood <[email protected]> wrote: > It has an effect a bit like a spring or rubber band - the interpolation > will move much more quickly at one end than the other if you set the tension > to one side of the other. If tension is balanced it effectively has no > effect, and you'll get a straight interpolation. You could of course use the > curves to get similar effects.. infact I've never used tension tbh :) > > Chris > > > On 2 November 2010 16:26, Charlie Francis <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Thanks Chris, >> >> 1 more question. In the Interpolation patch, what does Tension do. >> >> Regards, >> Charlie >> >> >> On 2 November 2010 16:11, Chris Wood <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It's an engineering term, it just means you take a value +/- a tolerance >>> - i.e. we check if the interpolation output is 1.0 +/- 0.1, so we'll get a >>> result if the output is in the range 0.9-1.1. In this case the tolerance is >>> 0.1. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> On 2 November 2010 16:07, Charlie Francis >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> I don't want to interrupt this discussion, but can someone please >>>> explain Tolerance. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Charlie >>>> >>>> On 2 November 2010 15:53, Alastair Leith <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think he's using 'backwards' to say second half (duration) in a >>>>> mirrored loop interpolation. Nothing to do with in or out values. >>>>> >>>>> Here's a comp you can assume the direction of the change (derivative if >>>>> you're comparing frames) has anything to do with 'phase' or >>>>> none/loop/mirror-loop. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 03/11/2010, at 1:00 AM, George Toledo wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Chris Wood <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Well, depends on what you mean by 'backwards'. In the default >>>>>> interpolation, it rises to one then resets to zero - when it does that, >>>>>> it >>>>>> effectively 'goes backwards' for one frame. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yeah.... or it simply restarts sequence of something happening over a >>>>> duration. I guess it depends on how you're looking at it. There's no point >>>>> in a semantic melt down ;) >>>>> >>>>> I mean that for all cases, there can always be a single frame where >>>>> Result Value equals end value, but only two cases where values reverse >>>>> sequence and those are mirrored loop and mirrored loop once. That kind of >>>>> makes the >>>>> backwards premise odd to me. >>>>> >>>>> It is equally constructive to simply see if something is increasing or >>>>> decreasing, which isn't synonymous with the interpolate being on the front >>>>> side or back side of the loop either, since start value can be greater >>>>> than >>>>> end value. The requested functionality of "backwards" strikes me as odd, >>>>> off >>>>> the top. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -GT >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2 November 2010 13:33, George Toledo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Something can only "go backwards" in mirror loop, so in that way, the >>>>>>> requested function of being able to tell "backwards" was kind of a >>>>>>> quirky >>>>>>> premise in and of itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -GT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Chris Wood <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yep, if the point at which it hits 1.0 isn't the exact time it gets >>>>>>>> rendered, you don't get 1.0 and have to use tolerance. Problem there is >>>>>>>> getting the fudge factor low enough - and if you don't use a queue you >>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>> know if the value is rising or falling, so it's as likely to trigger >>>>>>>> slightly early as slightly late. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Add into the mix the random variable of framerate - if you get a >>>>>>>> particularly slow frame near the peak, your tolerance has to be bigger >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> catch it. So you have tight tolerance and possibly fail to catch it >>>>>>>> sometimes, or you have a loose tolerance and sloppy timing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2 November 2010 13:20, George Toledo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chris Wood, ftw. That's the framebased way of accurately doing >>>>>>>>> this. The other most direct way would be built in tolerance, except >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> tolerance (in any route, whether built in or via math) involves fudge >>>>>>>>> factor. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -GT >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Chris Wood <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is how I'd handle it. It simply detects when the output >>>>>>>>>> starts to fall, so it'll happily work with either loop or mirrored >>>>>>>>>> loop, and >>>>>>>>>> most curves / tension settings. It'll detect when any value goes from >>>>>>>>>> rising/stable to falling, so you can use it elsewhere too (I tend to >>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>> other methods in place of interpolation, at that point there's no >>>>>>>>>> guarantee >>>>>>>>>> you're going to have a convenient way of determining state based on >>>>>>>>>> time). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2 November 2010 12:55, George Toledo <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Forget about all this rigamorole way, extra patches, or getting >>>>>>>>>>> last frames with queues, and just make it perform quick:" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Use the Tolerance control on the Conditional method that I >>>>>>>>>>> suggested. I think it was included for a reason ;) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -GT >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Boštjan Čadež <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The easyest way i can think of doing this would be to use a >>>>>>>>>>>> square wave LFO alongside the interpolation patch. That will >>>>>>>>>>>> basically give >>>>>>>>>>>> you the phase port you describe. Add a watcher after that and you >>>>>>>>>>>> have your >>>>>>>>>>>> bounce pulses. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> fsk >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2. nov. 2010, at 05:56, Keith Lang <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Wondering if other people ever want this feature before I >>>>>>>>>>>> submit it… >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Basically, I often want to know when an Interpolation patch >>>>>>>>>>>> has just >>>>>>>>>>>> > 'bounced' from one of it's Start or End values, and sometimes, >>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>> > direction it's heading in. >>>>>>>>>>>> > This would be useful for triggering events at the end of the >>>>>>>>>>>> > interpolation, loop, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > There's no clean way to know this currently — I don't think we >>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>> > assume it will pass through 0. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > So I'm suggesting a Phase boolean output port that changes to >>>>>>>>>>>> 1 when >>>>>>>>>>>> > it's in reverse. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > If I'm missing an existing way, or a better implementation I'd >>>>>>>>>>>> love to hear it. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Keith >>>>>>>>>>>> > <Interpolation-request.png> >>>>>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> > Do not post admin requests to the list. 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