Thanks Chris, 1 more question. In the Interpolation patch, what does Tension do.
Regards, Charlie On 2 November 2010 16:11, Chris Wood <[email protected]> wrote: > It's an engineering term, it just means you take a value +/- a tolerance - > i.e. we check if the interpolation output is 1.0 +/- 0.1, so we'll get a > result if the output is in the range 0.9-1.1. In this case the tolerance is > 0.1. > > Chris > > > On 2 November 2010 16:07, Charlie Francis <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I don't want to interrupt this discussion, but can someone please explain >> Tolerance. >> >> Regards >> Charlie >> >> On 2 November 2010 15:53, Alastair Leith <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I think he's using 'backwards' to say second half (duration) in a >>> mirrored loop interpolation. Nothing to do with in or out values. >>> >>> Here's a comp you can assume the direction of the change (derivative if >>> you're comparing frames) has anything to do with 'phase' or >>> none/loop/mirror-loop. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 03/11/2010, at 1:00 AM, George Toledo wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Chris Wood <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Well, depends on what you mean by 'backwards'. In the default >>>> interpolation, it rises to one then resets to zero - when it does that, it >>>> effectively 'goes backwards' for one frame. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>> >>> Yeah.... or it simply restarts sequence of something happening over a >>> duration. I guess it depends on how you're looking at it. There's no point >>> in a semantic melt down ;) >>> >>> I mean that for all cases, there can always be a single frame where >>> Result Value equals end value, but only two cases where values reverse >>> sequence and those are mirrored loop and mirrored loop once. That kind of >>> makes the >>> backwards premise odd to me. >>> >>> It is equally constructive to simply see if something is increasing or >>> decreasing, which isn't synonymous with the interpolate being on the front >>> side or back side of the loop either, since start value can be greater than >>> end value. The requested functionality of "backwards" strikes me as odd, off >>> the top. >>> >>> >>> >>> -GT >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2 November 2010 13:33, George Toledo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Something can only "go backwards" in mirror loop, so in that way, the >>>>> requested function of being able to tell "backwards" was kind of a quirky >>>>> premise in and of itself. >>>>> >>>>> -GT >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Chris Wood <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yep, if the point at which it hits 1.0 isn't the exact time it gets >>>>>> rendered, you don't get 1.0 and have to use tolerance. Problem there is >>>>>> getting the fudge factor low enough - and if you don't use a queue you >>>>>> don't >>>>>> know if the value is rising or falling, so it's as likely to trigger >>>>>> slightly early as slightly late. >>>>>> >>>>>> Add into the mix the random variable of framerate - if you get a >>>>>> particularly slow frame near the peak, your tolerance has to be bigger to >>>>>> catch it. So you have tight tolerance and possibly fail to catch it >>>>>> sometimes, or you have a loose tolerance and sloppy timing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2 November 2010 13:20, George Toledo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris Wood, ftw. That's the framebased way of accurately doing this. >>>>>>> The other most direct way would be built in tolerance, except that >>>>>>> tolerance >>>>>>> (in any route, whether built in or via math) involves fudge factor. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -GT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Chris Wood <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is how I'd handle it. It simply detects when the output starts >>>>>>>> to fall, so it'll happily work with either loop or mirrored loop, and >>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>> curves / tension settings. It'll detect when any value goes from >>>>>>>> rising/stable to falling, so you can use it elsewhere too (I tend to >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> other methods in place of interpolation, at that point there's no >>>>>>>> guarantee >>>>>>>> you're going to have a convenient way of determining state based on >>>>>>>> time). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2 November 2010 12:55, George Toledo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Forget about all this rigamorole way, extra patches, or getting >>>>>>>>> last frames with queues, and just make it perform quick:" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Use the Tolerance control on the Conditional method that I >>>>>>>>> suggested. I think it was included for a reason ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -GT >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Boštjan Čadež >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The easyest way i can think of doing this would be to use a square >>>>>>>>>> wave LFO alongside the interpolation patch. That will basically give >>>>>>>>>> you the >>>>>>>>>> phase port you describe. Add a watcher after that and you have your >>>>>>>>>> bounce >>>>>>>>>> pulses. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> fsk >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2. nov. 2010, at 05:56, Keith Lang <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Wondering if other people ever want this feature before I submit >>>>>>>>>> it… >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Basically, I often want to know when an Interpolation patch has >>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> > 'bounced' from one of it's Start or End values, and sometimes, >>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>> > direction it's heading in. >>>>>>>>>> > This would be useful for triggering events at the end of the >>>>>>>>>> > interpolation, loop, etc. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > There's no clean way to know this currently — I don't think we >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> > assume it will pass through 0. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > So I'm suggesting a Phase boolean output port that changes to 1 >>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>> > it's in reverse. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > If I'm missing an existing way, or a better implementation I'd >>>>>>>>>> love to hear it. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Keith >>>>>>>>>> > <Interpolation-request.png> >>>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> > Do not post admin requests to the list. 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