There is currently a user poll on the Quartz Composer Facebook group that is asking for feedback from users.
Question: If Apple were to releases Quartz Composer as either Open Source or a paid application how would you support it? - I would pay for a version of Quartz Composer that was actively maintained - I would contribute crowdfunding/pledging towards a open source version - I would offer development time and skills to a open source version. https://www.facebook.com/groups/quartzcomposercommunity/permalink/10152961178787652/?qa_ref=qd Im also curious how people think a campaign to open source Quartz Composer could work. I dont think a petition would be the right way to go as there is many out there already for various things that go nowhere. Also crowdfunding or pledging would be difficult to achieve without some sort of response from Apple first. As far as i can tell there is no platform that allows people to pledge towards encouraging a company to open source a piece of existing closed source software. The closest i have seen is bountysource but that works on the basis of the software being open source already. Maybe what is needed is a considered campaign that raises the issues first and gets a dialogue with Apple underway and once/if that comes to point where Apple enters discussion about releasing the source then a separate campaign could be started to fund some development/bug fixes. The thing is most people are happy with the functionality that Quartz Composer offers and it really does just come down to just getting bugs fixed. Does anyone have any examples of a previously closed source piece of software being made open source and successfully continuing? Also something with the level of dependencies on a particular os that Quartz has? If this idea actually gained some traction i would be happy to help move the idea along. I wouldnt be able to offer and developer support but would be willing to oversee the organising of something like this. I think the reality is that this would be extremely difficult to achieve. Not so much the getting it made open source more what to do once it happened and where to go from there. I do think with a considered campaign amongst the very large and active Quartz Composer community it could make this something Apple would find difficult to ignore. Also taking into consideration what Alastair mentioned the fact that so many apps make use of QCView etc this would be the biggest hurdle standing in the way of making something like this a possibility. Unless Apple open sourced QC and depreciated the exsisitng hooks that are available to developers this could be extremely difficult. -- Jim Warrier Audio Visual Performer destroythingsbeautiful.com (http://destroythingsbeautiful.com/) | www.modulate.org.uk (http://www.modulate.org.uk/) On Friday, 21 November 2014 at 12:01, Steo0315 wrote: > What if they make if a paid app. > I'll pay a lot of money if it was directly available from the App Store. > > Or maybe it's not a return on investment problem for apple maybe they just > don't care anymore... > > Such a waste, shame etc... > > Steolepanda.com (http://Steolepanda.com)((Steo)) > > > On 21 nov. 2014, at 18:41, Joe Rickerby <joer...@mac.com > (mailto:joer...@mac.com)> wrote: > > > Having not seen the code I can’t measure the size of the challenges facing > > the project, but I’d be very interested in getting involved (developer with > > ~4 years on apple platforms). > > > > Joe > > > On 21 Nov 2014, at 10:33 am, Jim <kurb...@gmail.com > > > (mailto:kurb...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > Whilst i think the idea of making QC open source could be great i do > > > wonder if there is a large enough community of developers with the > > > impetus and skills to fix and maintain Quartz Composer to a usable > > > standard? > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Jim Warrier > > > > > > Audio Visual Performer > > > > > > destroythingsbeautiful.com (http://destroythingsbeautiful.com/) | > > > www.modulate.org.uk (http://www.modulate.org.uk/) > > > > > > > > > On Friday, 21 November 2014 at 11:29, Joe Rickerby wrote: > > > > > > > I think open-sourcing is the only chance QC has at this point. > > > > > > > > But I think the prospect of Apple open sourcing QC is complicated by > > > > the fact the QuartzComposer framework is embedded into Quartz. This > > > > means there are apps out there that are using classes like QCRenderer, > > > > QCView to implement graphics. > > > > > > > > If Apple open-sources QC, they have a choice between deprecating the QC > > > > classes (breaking third party apps) or bundling code that comes from an > > > > open source project they don’t entirely control. > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > On 21 Nov 2014, at 8:35 am, Dan Gregor <danin...@gmail.com > > > > > (mailto:danin...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > > oh no, i can't still believe this, such a shame! there isn't any > > > > > software on a market with a same good potential as QC had. QC should > > > > > be a future. shame on apple, shame on all apple managers! > > > > > what about Chris Wright, can't he push apple to make QC as a open > > > > > source? what would be the price for QC source code? > > > > > very sad.. > > > > > Dan Gregor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2014-11-21 5:41 GMT+01:00 Alastair Leith <usefuldesign...@gmail.com > > > > > (mailto:usefuldesign...@gmail.com)>: > > > > > > Maybe some can start a crowdfunded community campaign to get Apple > > > > > > (and other large software companies) to Open Source EOL software > > > > > > that wont unduly compete with their existing products? > > > > > > > > > > > > Not for me I have no time but can't see Apple resisting a Green My > > > > > > Apple scale campaign for too long… they're sitting on more cash > > > > > > assets than most nations in the world today, think of the good they > > > > > > could do and brownie points they would score. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 21 Nov 2014, at 11:13 am, Juan Madrigal <jua...@mac.com > > > > > > (mailto:jua...@mac.com)> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > They should have open sourced Final Cut Server, Shake and Color > > > > > > > when they EOL'D them but they didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great software that's collecting dust. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's sad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Juan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 20, 2014, at 9:33 PM, Rick Mann <rm...@latencyzero.com > > > > > > > (mailto:rm...@latencyzero.com)> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I certainly don't want to see it go, and I don't want to use > > > > > > >> cross-platform apps. They universally suck. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> If Apple won't continue to support QC, perhaps they should open > > > > > > >> source it instead. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 15:50 , Jim <kurb...@gmail.com > > > > > > >>> (mailto:kurb...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Quartz Composer bugs being closed. I see some my oldest Quartz > > > > > > >>> Composer bugs are being closed with the message > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> "Apple Developer Relations 20-Nov-2014 08:01 PM > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Engineering has determined that there are no plans to address > > > > > > >>> this issue. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> We are now closing this bug report” > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> This implies that Quartz composer will no longer receive fixes > > > > > > >>> for long standing bugs despite its continued use in many high > > > > > > >>> profile live shows and deep integration with real time video > > > > > > >>> apps. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Quartz Composer still maintains a very active community. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> One of the most common issues with qc is using OpenCI and using > > > > > > >>> meshes. In the past year i have worked on or am aware of shows > > > > > > >>> created for some of the highest profile musicians in the world > > > > > > >>> yet this application is still being neglected and left to fade > > > > > > >>> into obscurity by Apple. With the resouces that apple have at > > > > > > >>> its disposal a enginner could easily be assigned to maintain > > > > > > >>> Quartz Composer to a more usable standard. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> I can see a large portion of the Quartz Composer user base > > > > > > >>> transitioning to Max 7 or Vuo over the next few years. Given > > > > > > >>> both those applications play nicely on multi OS this could lose > > > > > > >>> Apple a large part of its creative user base which would be a > > > > > > >>> shame to see happen > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Jim Warrier > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Audio Visual Performer > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> destroythingsbeautiful.com (http://destroythingsbeautiful.com/) > > > > > > >>> | www.modulate.org.uk (http://www.modulate.org.uk/) > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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