I really like what everyone said about apple's strangle hold on proprietary
software for the purpose of pushing hardware out. I found it really educational
to know the limitations of open-sourcing it.
>From a business standpoint, it s really a strange decision to phase it out
>considering the fact the Facebook invested some resources into using QC for
>UI/UX prototyping and the fact that a direct rip-off product like 'Form' by
>Relativity Wave has been acquired by Google for a good chunk of money and is
>being given away for free on the AppStore.
All of that is a good indicator that native visual programming is on the rise
because they are robust, accessible tools that help non-developers to
contribute their skills to a team to produce better experiences.
From: Oliver Breidenbach <oli...@boinx.com>
To: Jim <kurb...@gmail.com>
Cc: Steo0315 <steo.0...@gmail.com>; Joe Rickerby <joer...@mac.com>; Alastair
Leith <usefuldesign...@gmail.com>; quartzcomposer-dev list list
<quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com>; Dan Gregor <danin...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Engineering has determined that there are no plans to address
this issue.
A few thoughts:
Apple is not in the software business (any more). They use software just as a
selling point for their hardware. Therefore, they have a culture of keeping
software assets private as they might prove useful for future hardware. Also,
under Sarbannes-Oxley there are certain accounting complications with giving
away software that was once acquired at some (probably negligable) expense and
invested in for some years.
Open Sourcing Quartz Composer would only be half of the story anyways. They
would also have to license it (and a vast amount of patents) for modification
and re-use. This, of course, could lead to a competitor making this derived
work an asset in their quest for market share against Apple. Even if this is
just a theoretical possibility, it will take some guts for the Apple leadership
to take that step. If you judge by the financial situation, unlike Microsoft,
they are currently nowhere near desperate enough for such a big step.
That said, on 10.10, QC still performs quite well. Yes, it could do much better
by adapting new OpenGL technologies and other advances in OS X and there are
more than one annoying glitch, but for now, it can survive a state of limbo for
quite some releases to come. Of course, this might change suddenly, but that is
the way the world works. If QC goes away, it will probably be replaced by
something even more awesome down the road, perhaps even not something made by
Apple.
As I said before, in the unlikely event that Apple makes QC open source and
licenses it for modified redistribution, Boinx Software will jump on that right
away and invest considerable resources to improve on the current shortcomings.
Oliver.
Am Freitag, 21. November 2014 schrieb Jim :
There is currently a user poll on the Quartz Composer Facebook group that is
asking for feedback from users.
Question:If Apple were to releases Quartz Composer as either Open Source or a
paid application how would you support it?- I would pay for a version of Quartz
Composer that was actively maintained- I would contribute crowdfunding/pledging
towards a open source version- I would offer development time and skills to a
open source version.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/quartzcomposercommunity/permalink/10152961178787652/?qa_ref=qd
Im also curious how people think a campaign to open source Quartz Composer
could work.
I dont think a petition would be the right way to go as there is many out there
already for various things that go nowhere. Also crowdfunding or pledging would
be difficult to achieve without some sort of response from Apple first. As far
as i can tell there is no platform that allows people to pledge towards
encouraging a company to open source a piece of existing closed source
software.The closest i have seen is bountysource but that works on the basis of
the software being open source already.
Maybe what is needed is a considered campaign that raises the issues first and
gets a dialogue with Apple underway and once/if that comes to point where Apple
enters discussion about releasing the source then a separate campaign could be
started to fund some development/bug fixes.
The thing is most people are happy with the functionality that Quartz Composer
offers and it really does just come down to just getting bugs fixed.
Does anyone have any examples of a previously closed source piece of software
being made open source and successfully continuing? Also something with the
level of dependencies on a particular os that Quartz has? If this idea actually
gained some traction i would be happy to help move the idea along. I wouldnt be
able to offer and developer support but would be willing to oversee the
organising of something like this.
I think the reality is that this would be extremely difficult to achieve. Not
so much the getting it made open source more what to do once it happened and
where to go from there. I do think with a considered campaign amongst the very
large and active Quartz Composer community it could make this something Apple
would find difficult to ignore.
Also taking into consideration what Alastair mentioned the fact that so many
apps make use of QCView etc this would be the biggest hurdle standing in the
way of making something like this a possibility. Unless Apple open sourced QC
and depreciated the exsisitng hooks that are available to developers this could
be extremely difficult.
--
Jim Warrier
Audio Visual Performer
destroythingsbeautiful.com | www.modulate.org.uk
On Friday, 21 November 2014 at 12:01, Steo0315 wrote:
What if they make if a paid app.I'll pay a lot of money if it was directly
available from the App Store.
Or maybe it's not a return on investment problem for apple maybe they just
don't care anymore...
Such a waste, shame etc...
Steolepanda.com((Steo))
On 21 nov. 2014, at 18:41, Joe Rickerby <joer...@mac.com> wrote:
Having not seen the code I can’t measure the size of the challenges facing the
project, but I’d be very interested in getting involved (developer with ~4
years on apple platforms).
Joe
On 21 Nov 2014, at 10:33 am, Jim <kurb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Whilst i think the idea of making QC open source could be great i do wonder
if there is a large enough community of developers with the impetus and skills
to fix and maintain Quartz Composer to a usable standard?
--
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Audio Visual Performer
destroythingsbeautiful.com | www.modulate.org.uk
On Friday, 21 November 2014 at 11:29, Joe Rickerby wrote:
I think open-sourcing is the only chance QC has at this point.
But I think the prospect of Apple open sourcing QC is complicated by the fact
the QuartzComposer framework is embedded into Quartz. This means there are apps
out there that are using classes like QCRenderer, QCView to implement graphics.
If Apple open-sources QC, they have a choice between deprecating the QC classes
(breaking third party apps) or bundling code that comes from an open source
project they don’t entirely control.
Joe
On 21 Nov 2014, at 8:35 am, Dan Gregor <danin...@gmail.com> wrote:
oh no, i can't still believe this, such a shame! there isn't any software on a
market with a same good potential as QC had. QC should be a future. shame on
apple, shame on all apple managers! what about Chris Wright, can't he push
apple to make QC as a open source? what would be the price for QC source
code?very sad..Dan Gregor
2014-11-21 5:41 GMT+01:00 Alastair Leith <usefuldesign...@gmail.com>:
Maybe some can start a crowdfunded community campaign to get Apple (and other
large software companies) to Open Source EOL software that wont unduly compete
with their existing products?
Not for me I have no time but can't see Apple resisting a Green My Apple scale
campaign for too long… they're sitting on more cash assets than most nations in
the world today, think of the good they could do and brownie points they would
score.
On 21 Nov 2014, at 11:13 am, Juan Madrigal <jua...@mac.com> wrote:
> They should have open sourced Final Cut Server, Shake and Color when they
> EOL'D them but they didn't.
>
> Great software that's collecting dust.
>
> It's sad.
>
> -Juan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 20, 2014, at 9:33 PM, Rick Mann <rm...@latencyzero.com> wrote:
>
>> I certainly don't want to see it go, and I don't want to use cross-platform
>> apps. They universally suck.
>>
>> If Apple won't continue to support QC, perhaps they should open source it
>> instead.
>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 15:50 , Jim <kurb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Quartz Composer bugs being closed. I see some my oldest Quartz Composer
>>> bugs are being closed with the message
>>>
>>> "Apple Developer Relations 20-Nov-2014 08:01 PM
>>>
>>> Engineering has determined that there are no plans to address this issue.
>>>
>>> We are now closing this bug report”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This implies that Quartz composer will no longer receive fixes for long
>>> standing bugs despite its continued use in many high profile live shows and
>>> deep integration with real time video apps.
>>>
>>> Quartz Composer still maintains a very active community.
>>>
>>> One of the most common issues with qc is using OpenCI and using meshes. In
>>> the past year i have worked on or am aware of shows created for some of the
>>> highest profile musicians in the world yet this application is still being
>>> neglected and left to fade into obscurity by Apple. With the resouces that
>>> apple have at its disposal a enginner could easily be assigned to maintain
>>> Quartz Composer to a more usable standard.
>>>
>>> I can see a large portion of the Quartz Composer user base transitioning to
>>> Max 7 or Vuo over the next few years. Given both those applications play
>>> nicely on multi OS this could lose Apple a large part of its creative user
>>> base which would be a shame to see happen
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Jim Warrier
>>>
>>> Audio Visual Performer
>>>
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