I just wanted to go on record and say I strongly, *strongly* support this, 
Fedora Silverblue could probably at some point replace Xen's dom0, it's 
fantastic.

On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 7:36:01 PM UTC+10 outbac...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Frédéric Pierret
> <frederic...@qubes-os.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 6/28/22 à 10:15, Outback Dingo a écrit :
> > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 2:30 PM Frédéric Pierret
> > > <frederic...@qubes-os.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Le 6/28/22 à 06:13, Outback Dingo a écrit :
> > >>> Curiously, I often wonder why Qubes itself, as it claims to be
> > >>> security enhanced, relies on Fedora, and not Silverblue or Kinoite
> > >>> spins.
> > >>>
> > >>> I remember back in the day when it was plasma based, and actually was
> > >>> pretty decent.
> > >>>
> > >>> Silverblue/kinoite provides ostree and more reasonable updating
> > >>> methods, it's also based on fedora so now quite sure as to why you
> > >>> continue down the fedora vanilla path, other then maybe the work
> > >>> involved to switch out the base os flavor.
> > >>>
> > >>> It would surely add another layer of security having an immutable Os
> > >>> that is updateable with rpm-ostree update and rollback capability.
> > >>>
> > >>> Any enlightenment is appreciated
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> We already discussed that with Marek a while ago and this is 
> something we want to take a look at. Right now, the reason is...we totally 
> lack human resources to study and work on that subject among all others 
> tasks we have to do.
> > >>
> > > well, i guess one could ask someone like me to join up and work on
> > > developing the solution, after all its going to be mostly build system
> > > modifications for "repos", then sorting out how it build a final image
> > > with ostree
> > > There is also the variant rpm-ostree that is now the default, no more
> > > dnf/rpm standard.
> > >
> >
> > I would say the first step would be to create a template because we are 
> going away from Fedora for dom0 soon or later (when sys-gui-gpu would be 
> stable) and it's probably going to be something like Yocto. Marek can give 
> more info.
> >
>
> You mention Yocto, as I'm quite familiar with it, would also be a good
> choice, especially with ostree onboard and the array of OTA update
> methods available. There is a similar in concept project though lxc
> based called OverC from wind river
> yet thats basically partitioning "various machine instances" for iot
> based type stuff they call "cubes", though there is a "cube-desktop",
> XFCE based also that can be built with it.
>
> > Best regards,
> > Frédéric
>

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