On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 5:29 PM Dylanger Daly <dylangerd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just wanted to go on record and say I strongly, strongly support this, 
> Fedora Silverblue could probably at some point replace Xen's dom0, it's 
> fantastic.
>

Okay, great to hear, though there is also yocto rumours about also,
and yes its exactly what I meant, to replace anything fedora 3X with
Silverblue, even dom0 and templates.

> On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 7:36:01 PM UTC+10 outbac...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Frédéric Pierret
>> <frederic...@qubes-os.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Le 6/28/22 à 10:15, Outback Dingo a écrit :
>> > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 2:30 PM Frédéric Pierret
>> > > <frederic...@qubes-os.org> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Le 6/28/22 à 06:13, Outback Dingo a écrit :
>> > >>> Curiously, I often wonder why Qubes itself, as it claims to be
>> > >>> security enhanced, relies on Fedora, and not Silverblue or Kinoite
>> > >>> spins.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I remember back in the day when it was plasma based, and actually was
>> > >>> pretty decent.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Silverblue/kinoite provides ostree and more reasonable updating
>> > >>> methods, it's also based on fedora so now quite sure as to why you
>> > >>> continue down the fedora vanilla path, other then maybe the work
>> > >>> involved to switch out the base os flavor.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> It would surely add another layer of security having an immutable Os
>> > >>> that is updateable with rpm-ostree update and rollback capability.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Any enlightenment is appreciated
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >> We already discussed that with Marek a while ago and this is something 
>> > >> we want to take a look at. Right now, the reason is...we totally lack 
>> > >> human resources to study and work on that subject among all others 
>> > >> tasks we have to do.
>> > >>
>> > > well, i guess one could ask someone like me to join up and work on
>> > > developing the solution, after all its going to be mostly build system
>> > > modifications for "repos", then sorting out how it build a final image
>> > > with ostree
>> > > There is also the variant rpm-ostree that is now the default, no more
>> > > dnf/rpm standard.
>> > >
>> >
>> > I would say the first step would be to create a template because we are 
>> > going away from Fedora for dom0 soon or later (when sys-gui-gpu would be 
>> > stable) and it's probably going to be something like Yocto. Marek can give 
>> > more info.
>> >
>>
>> You mention Yocto, as I'm quite familiar with it, would also be a good
>> choice, especially with ostree onboard and the array of OTA update
>> methods available. There is a similar in concept project though lxc
>> based called OverC from wind river
>> yet thats basically partitioning "various machine instances" for iot
>> based type stuff they call "cubes", though there is a "cube-desktop",
>> XFCE based also that can be built with it.
>>
>> > Best regards,
>> > Frédéric
>
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