> Sorry for the misunderstanding. You do not have to (and, indeed, cannot)
> update your TemplateBasedVMs from Fedora 21 to Fedora 23, since they're
> Template-based. 

Normally speaking, though, if I'm running a computer with a particular 
operating system, I can upgrade that operating system to a new version. So are 
you saying I can't do this with the various VMs run by Qubes?

This means that they don't have a root filesystem (where the OS
> and programs are stored) of their own. Instead, they get their root filesystem
> from the TemplateVM on which they're based. As long as your TemplateVMs have
> been upgraded correctly, your TemplateBasedVMs should work with the upgraded
> TemplateVMs normally.

The result of running "sudo qubes-dom0-update qubes-template-fedora-23" was not 
to update a TemplateVM, though. It created a new TemplateVM, so now I have 2: 
fedora-21 and fedora-23 - the second of which doesn't yet seem to have a 
purpose unless or until I create new VMs

> The fact that you're now asking whether you should shut down all of your VMs
> one by one suggests that you may not have followed the above procedure, since
> rebooting dom0 entails shutting down all of those VMs (but it's also possible
> that this is just a miscommunication).

no, it just means I'm doing this process gradually, leaving space for things 
like, eg, restarting a VM in order to post things on the Internet
> 
> It's also not clear to me what you mean by "tell them in VM-manager to be
> fedora-23 not fedora-21 VMs."

"upgrade the operating system the VMs are using to version 23 of fedora rather 
than version 21"

> If you've just performed an in-place upgrade on a template (from
> Fedora 21 to Fedora 23) with the intention of using it, then it would indeed
> make sense to base your AppVM on this newly upgraded template (if it wasn't
> already). Again, as long as the upgrade has been done correctly, everything
> should work normally.

based on that, it doesn't seem to be - I don't think my system is currently in 
the state you describe

It is possible that the step that went wrong is step one - "Upgrade fedora 
templates". Would you normally expect that after that first step, the default 
TemplateVM would have upgraded itself to the most recent available version of 
Fedora? Because that didn't happen.


Bearing in mind, in all of this my ultimate purpose is "make my Qubes 
installation indistinguishable from a fresh installation of version 3.1". Which 
is not yet the case!

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