On the Signal matter, just some personal paranoia Re: Signal and Google Play Services:
I've been the subject of some rather intense and ongoing hacking (iPhone, iPad, Android phone/tablet, PC, MacBook, cable modem connection, you name it). On the Android phone, I wiped it several times, and switched to Cyanogen, but the "weirdness" kept coming back. (Seeing stuff being recorded, logged, queued to upload etc., when scrutinizing the filesystem with adb.) The issues often seemed to dance around Google Play Services. The problem kept coming back, until last time, when I wiped the phone yet again, but didn't install Google Play Store (and thus no Google Play Services). Things *appear* to be stable and secure now, with no logging/recording/uploading weirdness showing up on the filesystem. I'd like to install and use Signal for obvious reasons, but I honestly don't trust Google Store/Services enough to take the risk. (I have a psycho ex with some crooked cop buddies, so I half suspect some law enforcement/government hook might be present in Google Play Services. Speculation of course. But I'll personally stay clear for now. I'm not doing anything illegal, but with crooked cops it really doesn't matter much. :) ) I did get a copy of Signal from apkmirror, but I expect it might not work without Play Services, and I'm not sure it'd be smart to implicitly trust apkmirror, either. So I'll keep my SmartPhone as a DumbPhone for now. I was kind of excited to hear about Signal for Chromium, but disappointed to find it relied upon you also having it installed on your smartphone. Aaaaaand then there's this: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/06/not-ok-google-chromium-voice-extension-pulled-after-spying-concerns/ Not cool, Google. Cheers. :) > On 08/15/2016 08:49 PM, Ben Wika wrote: >> Is F-Droid's Silence any better than Signal given it can run without >> Google Play Store? > > The issue is not so much the Google Play Store, but the Google Play > Services. Silence has been forked of Signal and works completely > different now. In contrast to today's Signal, Silence only encrypts SMS > while Signal only sends Signal messages via their server. > > Kind Regards, > Torsten > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "qubes-users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/b6d870f0-3405-9cc3-1216-0c1048cb9a8b%40grobox.de. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/2a92c6cb161a26a3f02c3ba8c603147e.webmail%40localhost. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.