On Saturday, June 17, 2017 at 6:41:00 AM UTC-4, lok...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, 17 June 2017 18:35:39 UTC+8, Vít Šesták  wrote:
> > What CPU usage does  Qubes Manager show? I guess is shows low CPU usage.
> > 
> > Do you see any other symptoms of high CPU usage like heat or fan activity?
> > 
> > I guess the Xen just allocates some CPU time for some VMs, but the time is 
> > not
> > used. As a result, xentop seems to overestimate actual CPU usage.
> 
> I've restarted the offending VM's now, so I can't test anymore.
> 
> The fan was blowing at maximum speed (which is why I looked into this in the 
> first place) so there was definitely something happening.
> 
> The VM that was running with the most CPU usage according to xentop (150% or 
> so) had been used to run an Atari ST emulator (which uses lots of CPU). 
> However, the emulator had been killed and the machine left idle while I was 
> off doing other things for at least 30 minutes. It was when I came back to 
> the computer that I noticed that the fan was blowing and that's when I 
> noticed the problem.

ya man I wouldn't just restart them I'd delete them and recreate them.

I don't think I notice this happening on my machine.  I have noticed that 
xentop shows cpu more accurately though then qubes manager in the past.  it 
will show cpu usage qubes manager doesn't show.  But I would still see 
something happening qubes manager at least. And I don't notice anything weird 
on idle vms.  

But I always shut down more trusted ones that have net access just in case they 
get attacked form other vms.

I have noticed, when first started using qubes, that sometimes when an appvm is 
open it will check for updates.  Or that updates won't be checked until you 
open up an appvm that use that template, but I don't know if thats changed 
since earlier Qubes versions.  I never dug into what process,  just correlated 
the cpu activity with the network activity that would go at the same time on 
sys-net.

Its too hard for me to monitor so many vms on a polylithic system like Qubes.  
So at first sign of anomaly I just delete the vm so much easier.  I mean unless 
I was experimenting I really don't give a crap whats causing something at this 
point in my life.  Possible malicious?  ok wipe it. Qubes makes it easy.  If it 
keeps happening then you need to find out whats going on.

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