That's easy to say Andy, but have you any proof? Qubes is an Open Source project so why not open up the qubes accounts and let the users see some factual information. Surely, there can't be anything to hide?
-- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 12. Jul 2017 02:41 by a...@qubes-os.org: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 2017-07-11 14:36, baldric-q7wo9g+UVklWk0Htik3J/> w...@public.gmane.org> > wrote: >> Chris Laprise: >>> On 07/10/2017 10:56 AM, Unman wrote: >>>> This simply isn't true - it's clear from the Purism statement that Librem >>>> 13v2 has not been entered for certification. >>>> >>>> Since Qubes 4 is still at an early stage of development (not even RC1), >>>> there is little prospect of ANY machine being certified for it at this >>>> stage. >>>> The fact that there are issues with Coreboot now is irrelevant - there >>>> are issues with all sorts of things in 4 as it stands. But it was stated >>>> that Qubes certified hardware should run on open source boot firmware, >>>> and I dont think that has changed. >>>> >>>> I dont think that Librem users have been "left in the lurch". It was >>>> made clear that the Librem13 was not likely to be certified for Qubes 4. >>>> This doesnt mean that the machine wont work with 4 - if you look at the >>>> requirements page for 4, minimal are VT-x,VT-d SLAT. >>>> A quick look at the HCL and the purism site confirms that the 13 has >>>> CoreI5 6200U, and that CPU does have VT-x, VT-d and SLAT. >>>> So in what sense does OP have grounds for feeling "left in the lurch"? >>>> >>>> unman >>>> >>> >>> And I think its worth re-stating that Qubes wants a formal certification >>> process (which Purism chose not to continue). >>> >>> Qubes should be lauded for creating this process and standing by it; It >>> guards against the erroneous perceptions people have about "PC hardware" >>> being a uniform blank canvas for creating an OS. >>> >> >> >> Sorry guys, I realise you are a couple of die-hard Qubesmen and are >> desperately trying to defend Qubes reputation, but you need to remove >> the blinkers and examine the facts. >> >> Fact 1/ in my original post I stated "For those of us who followed Qubes >> hardware recommendations and then bought or ordered shiny new Librem 13 >> laptops, you'll maybe not have noticed that qubes has silently and >> sneakily withdrawn the recommendation...". Six months after Purism >> began taking orders for the version 2 of the Librem 13 and 12 hours >> after I posted, Andy Wong published an announcement acknowledging that >> Librem 13v2 was no longer certified by qubes. Now if that doesn't leave >> people who ordered a version2 Librem13 and just recently had it >> delivered, in the lurch - I don't know what does. >> > > The announcement didn't actually say (nor would it be accurate to say) > that the Librem 13v2 was "no longer certified," since it was never > certified to begin with (see below). > >> Fact 2/ In December 15 Qubes trumpeted via its News pages >> https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2015/12/09/purism-partnership/.Entitled>> ; >> Partnering with Purism and the first Qubes-certified laptop. >> Within the document is this statement; "This begins with the >> certification of the Librem 13" - the words Librem 13 provides a link to >> https://puri.sm/librem-13>> . Contrary to the arguments you've posted, >> you'll notice that nowhere within the document does it specify that the >> certification covers Version 1 of Librem13 only. To the contrary, >> clicking the link takes you to Version2 of the Librem 13. >> > > At the time of that post, there was no such thing as "v1" or "v2" of the > Librem 13. It was just "the Librem 13." Only subsequently was a new > configuration introduced called "Librem 13v2." When the new version was > introduced, the original configuration was retroactively renamed "Librem > 13v1," presumably to disambiguate it from the new version. > > There's no way we could have known, at the time of that original 2015 > post, that there would end up being two versions of the Librem 13, or > that the same URL on the Purism website would be used as the product > page for both versions. Our certification process targets a _specific > laptop configuration_. Change the configuration, and it's no longer the > same laptop, at least as far as our certification process is concerned. > Why? Because what we're certifying is the fact that we've rigorously > tested that a certain version of Qubes OS is compatible with a certain > piece of hardware. If you change that piece of hardware or replace it > with a different one, we can't guarantee that the new piece of hardware > will be compatible unless we test it. > >> To summarise. >> Many months after Purism started taking orders for Version 2 of the >> Librem 13, Qubes formally withdrew its certification leaving users in >> the lurch. In the meantime Qubes pocketed $100 per order in commission. >> This is unforgivable, indefensible behavior. >> > > It's worth noting that the commissions the project received were never > enough to cover the cost of our developers' time and labor in performing > the testing and certification process, but we knew this would be the case > going in. This was never about the money; it was about trying to make it > easier for Qubes users to find compatible hardware. > > - -- > Andrew David Wong (Axon) > Community Manager, Qubes OS > https://www.qubes-os.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJZZYxgAAoJENtN07w5UDAw9PMQAK8k+wKSY7rzYxi4i6Pld0nt > 2sY6Aj6vYYj54dNFGTkiZ12DT591O6NgobzBa2ZGv83hya0YUKwBz1CLbEVBLxFX > 3jqtGyCJR7+U1/CC2vP/1gzw7xASO3WlR11X6vvKSRDtM1DjfbibOxARhwBxqwQf > SjSPPBp0ND8Fpq0WKFpuuXMKR9mLA2ehYimL9Bqdxao15cDcPolD2jbjFuTVuvQC > KNgwMaIZ5IR1kD509DT8RIm0fqiDgszqlsMdrqK5WfBYT3Mjz7BRpz3H2VzXXplS > iNgm1QRnm2EBefNWNANjJyWxUOUUyY8DS7RHGp7wXZq9/kjsYLhP1iAQnuY3PR6U > RB/qp25JDgmVbJnsh8pxIK+Rsbf/jndaj9VvqyTyqTju1Ia5MjWRubc4p+LjB9am > 7MQvcvh4PgCw5HZD2FAIAq+CmgpnlFnLUDmY0f/L0jAfYkbJRhXAyeerScfIW7L8 > GYZ7Xv1scw2UTIaKgsSxojfsMl23muFf4lsmfGk8TLOuOF5yzAuRnHqV0InjynCs > R3poPuUa1YZezIxHOsj8cOOGmgC0W8/o7BHVWOKIgNuW1rekLlnYtZ/G3LFERML5 > EqfolIR5q3qx7Xn1FBtbYPro+5RwLuLDjey9MfnXyHU5wgLFOkvNatyDU+nBzWG8 > A0oYvLtgdkpTylSqbz/d > =4uIM > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "qubes-users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to > qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . > To post to this group, send email to > qubes-users@googlegroups.com> . > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/ace89d3b-373a-d5e4-d749-c6b0bf07735d%40qubes-os.org> > . > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/optout> . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. 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