On 12/06/2017 11:29 PM, Franz wrote:
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Unman <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 05:13:56PM +0100, 'Tom Zander' via
qubes-users wrote:
> On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 16:08:28 CET Unman wrote:
> > "useful, but wasnt any good" - do you mean buggy or poorly
designed?
> > What 2 features should be implemented/fixed?
> >
> > I confess I rarely use the Manager, so don't have a feel for
what's wrong
> > with it.
>
> To be clear, the main reason the old one is removed seems to be
that it
> would have had to be reimplemented due to the architecture
changes in 4.0
>
Tom, this is simply not true.
If you look at issue #2132 you will see that it was a deliberate
design
principle. It has nothing to do with the architecture changes and
everything to do with simplifying the UX.
I have to say that most of the users I have helped to work with Qubes
(most unfamiliar to Linux and certainly unused to the command line),
simply DO NOT USE the manager.
Well that proves nothing. If you do not much use the manager and are
teaching people to use Qubes, then you tend to teach to follow the way
you do things and your followers will just do that.
On the contrary I am using the manager for everything also for
starting applications and when I teach Qubes teach it this way and it
is learned this way, so that loosing the manager means loosing all
references to be able to use Qubes.
I myself find it strange and frustrating using Qubes VMs without the
visual reminders for the templates they're based on, updates, last
backup date, etc. If I need to see the template for a VM, going into VM
settings feels like cognitive dissonance.
Qubes might benefit from focusing the UI on a Qubes Manager-like
interface, even to the point where guest apps are launched from it. Why
shoehorm the new paradigm into existing DE tools? That will not get you
the attention of the DE projects or potential userbase.
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