Hello Yuraeitha, Thanks for the clarification, I think we share some common values.
-- Qubes 4rc3 > Lenovo X230 + Lenovo W540 Gesendet von ProtonMail mobile -------- Original-Nachricht -------- An 27. Feb. 2018, 02:48, Yuraeitha schrieb: > Okay I may have come on a bit strong worded, > I apologize that I ended up being rude. > Nevertheless I'm not reclaiming my criticism > before convinced otherwise. Thanks for the reply, as always in written communication it's sometimes hard to read the intention by just reading the words. > I definitely have projects I'm working on, such > as QubesTV, QubesNAS, Qubes update script, > Qubes screenshot scripts, etc. If possible share it, I am heavily interested in a better screenshot solution and come up with a first prototype to be able to copy a screenshot (made in dom0) into the clipboard of a predefined AppVM. (Search for qvm-screenshot-to-clipboard on GitHub) Warning: it is a working solution but currently without any error handling, happy to hear feedback from a security view as I am far away from being an expert there. > My beef with this is that Qubes is about being > open source, decentralization (Qubes Air > which was planned almost a decade ago > now), retaining control of ones own system, > etc. If there are just as good open source > solutions, or even nearly just as good ones, > then these should be mentioned and > included. I totally agree and that is what I am doing everyday when I talk to my "enterprise" customers when the decide to use windows or VMware just because it is "more of an enterprise solution" (mainly because it costs money :-/). Of course I don't agree with this argument. Open Source is great, and if I would have known about an open source solution I would have mention this. > While sure Qubes is primarily about security > and less focused about privacy, but Qubes is > also about open source and retaining control > of your system. Agreed and I think that you can still gain privacy and security benefits when using "closed source" solution with Qubes just by using different Qubes. Let me put it this way, if I am really concerned about privacy I would not use Amazon Prime/Netflix at all because you become very transparent when someone knows what you are watching/reading and when. > To put this straight, I don't care if users can > just choose to do something else, the fact > that it's not following the spirit of what Qubes > is all about, is what I care about. Understand you point, still I think that every person who is using Linux or even better Qubes is a large win as more people learn that there are alternatives. Maybe the use Linux and Chrome in the beginning and some day companies see that there is a critical mass, so that it makes sense to develop cross platform solution. I don't expect that every company has to go open source, maybe because they want to protect their ownership/development costs. But I would like to use their software on my Operation System of choice. So the biggest topic is not that I have to use closed source/proprietary software but that I need to sacrifice lots of features when working in the classic "enterprise app" environment. Example: Our ERP System, Our CTI Application (ESTOS), Cisco WebEx/Cisco Jabber/Spark, Microsoft Office/Outlook, our main IT Service Tool (Remote Desktop Manager) are mainly running on top of of Windows, some offer a limited feature set when using web-alternatives, but there are no native Linux Apps, which is shame. I am running Qubes OS as primary OS but it is (for my job role) impossible without using Windows or other closed source apps. That's also why I really hope to see ongoing Windows AppVM support in Qubes which I honestly think is a major feature being able to run Qubes. > (...) I also enjoy discussions trying to reach a > common shared ground. That's what > discussions are all about to begin with after > all. Agreed. [799] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/P8eMPq2W5Nd6kmbhSWmm6R_eZzl9ub3k7nPKwW0X4WBuR8Lx5CrR8w-DhW4QIZbPICNOWPFNwMiLhbgm4HYJBEbKau0Ky9008O5Yuvxc_gc%3D%40protonmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
