On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 11:50:14 PM UTC+1, Alex Dubois wrote: > On Tuesday, 27 February 2018 11:39:03 UTC, Yuraeitha wrote: > > On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 3:06:36 AM UTC+1, brenda...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 7:21:11 PM UTC-5, [799] wrote: > > > > An 27. Feb. 2018, 00:59, Yuraeitha schrieb: > > > > > It is by no means a complete guide as you > > > > > make it sound though, it's relying overly much > > > > > on closed code, and Chromium is no good > > > > > here to look into Google Chrome. I wouldn't > > > > > call it the "go to" guide to get everything > > > > > working. > > > > > > > > Seriously? Do you know how much time it takes to write a how-to? To > > > > test all > > > > steps and to use the feedback from other committed users to make it > > > > better? > > > > And as mentioned the guide is written for a special use case, playing > > > > multimedia on Qubes as I wanted an OS which I can use for everything > > > > I'm using > > > > a laptop for. > > > > > > Hey, just wanted to say: thanks for the guide, it's great. :) > > > > > > One of the strengths of Qubes is that you *can* divide your usage into > > > compartments which have different compromises (both security-wise and > > > philosophy-wise). A full-out "yes, we can Netflix and ... well, popcorn > > > in this case" Qube and separately have a "open source intelligence > > > research behind VPN and/or TOR" Qube or "develop sensitive open source > > > application" Qube on the same machine, *and* worry less about cross > > > contamination (security, software development ethics, identities, etc.) > > > is just a big win. > > > > > > Again: thanks! I am already using your guide and I appreciate all the > > > work you and others put into it. > > > > > > ... > > > > > The fact that Firefox isn't even mentioned in > > > > > that "between the lines self-proclaimed all > > > > > solution page guide", makes me a bit sad and > > > > > disappointed in Qubes. I hope this is a > > > > > mistake. > > > > > > > > Honestly it was me writing this "self-proclaimed all solution page > > > > guide" > > > > which took me lots of hours starting from the first version and > > > > following the > > > > excellent feedback from other users to improve it. > > > > Maybe you should provide content instead of being sad that others try to > > > > contribute to the Qubes project? > > > > > > Great idea! Maybe Yuraeitha can write up a "multimedia, most of it, with > > > firefox" guide? I have seen Yuraeitha add useful information on other > > > threads in this forum, appears to be very engaged and generally appears > > > to mean well. > > > > > > > Do you know how motivating it feels if people comment on your work like > > > > you're > > > > doing? > > > > > > I hope I have at least added some positive balance. :) > > > > > > > If my how-to will convince one user to try out Qubes because he can > > > > even do > > > > the "evil closed source" stuff, I am happy. > > > > > > :) > > > > > > Brendan > > > > I think you add positive balance Brendan, I like that you try to see both > > parties views and seek to make peace. Although I did overstep and caused a > > provocation, when I could have criticized without it becoming emotional. > > Even if I did not do it intentionally, it's still something I need to take > > responsibility for. > > > > To which I really apologize for [799], I hope we can still see eye to eye. > > By the way, even if I criticized your how-to doc here, there are two things > > that soften the perceived written criticism (quite a lot actually), which I > > want to underline. First the work you did is really good, I like what you > > did. What I criticized is only a lack of work into open alternatives, and > > not the work you did, which is good (which the criticism here takes a whole > > different character when criticizing an institution/culture rather than a > > single person). Adding a section to the how-to with minimum a brief mention > > of privacy/open-source concerns could be a good quick solution as a > > disclaimer, which would fend off this criticism even if you don't add open > > source solutions. Second, I want to admit that I make mistakes too (which > > is obvious, but the point here is that I'm admitting to it, in fact I make > > a lot of mistakes). I'm not trying to belittle, be arrogant or feel > > superior (I don't). It's just that my writing style can be very straight > > forward and it can risk sounding harsh. Adding on-top of that, I can be > > pretty darned merciless when it comes to challenging authority, which is > > not how I act towards individual people. I believed in the moment of the > > writing that what I challenged, did not have a face or emotions, but > > instead was a system, an authority through institutionalization/culture. > > But it turned out the wrath I put forward actually hit a person, which was > > not my intention at all. Shaking things up can sometimes fix issues in > > institutions, but it's not a good approach for individual people. I hope > > you will forgive me for being rude towards you, I do feel bad about it... > > Especially when as a person a mistake like this is very minor, while in > > contrast it would be big mistake if it's an institutional error when a lot > > of people are involved in it and no one criticizes it (which is where the > > big words are needed to shake things up). I'm not trying to write my self > > out of a mistake here, because I definitely and most certainly did a big > > mistake, and I do feel bad about it. > > What AI NLP are you using? :) > > At the end of the day what matters is the intent. Never feel bad to do good.
So true Alex, it's something I will try remember when writing onward by asking the question to my self "what is the perceived intend of this post". At least I will try to, change is not always easy after all, but this one is an important one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/2946a0bf-309e-4134-ade7-f89be1041151%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
