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On 1/4/19 1:13 PM, John S.Recdep wrote:
> On 1/4/19 1:37 AM, Andrew David Wong wrote:
>> On 1/3/19 11:31 PM, John S.Recdep wrote:
>>> On 1/3/19 2:51 PM,
>>> 22rip-2xk3N/kkaK1Wk0Htik3J/[email protected] wrote:
>>>> Thanks 799...I learned something!
>>>> 
>>>> Similar to 799 but less hardcore...I always download a fresh 
>>>> template(vs upgrade). In my case I ran with a full/fresh 
>>>> Fedora-29 after the Fedora-28 hplip issues, and added any
>>>> new software from fresh:
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> hmm, ok let's say I just use the new fresh 29 template, is
>>> there some way that I can know what non-stock software I
>>> installed on my Fedora-28 template, as I can't remember all
>>> that I may have installed ....
>> 
>> 
>> This is more of a Fedora question than a Qubes question. As far
>> as I know, there isn't a clean way to do this. Following Marek's
>> advice from years ago, I just keep a list of the packages that I
>> install in each of my templates.
>> 
>> 
>>> So, no advice on upgrading from my 28 template at this time? I
>>> find it strange that the template is in the dom0 updates
>>> available, but I see no notice  in the news section on qubes
>>> website nor here ......
>> 
>> 
>> See:
>> 
>> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4223
>> 
>> and
>> 
>> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-doc/pull/739
> 
> So, Andrew does this mean that although the Fedora-29 Template is 
> available via sudo qubes-dom0-update  that it still has issues and
> hence it is not officially advisable to use it ? ( whether via
> 'fresh' d/l nor 'upgrades' ? )
> 
> Forgive me, am just a layman, not sure what I would expect to
> interpret from the github links (perhaps the fact that there are
> any issues provides the answer?)
> 
> My repos are just the default qubes 4.0+ versions
> 

Well, you said you found it strange that there was no documentation or
announcement for the Fedora 29 template. These links show why: the
documentation is still being worked on, and the necessary steps prior to
the announcement have not yet been completed. (In fact, at the time of
this writing, the issue still indicates that the template has not yet
migrated to the stable repo, which appears to be false.)

In order to avoid this sort of confusion in the future, perhaps we
should refrain from migrating new templates to the stable repo until
documentation and an announcement are ready to be published, then do
it all simultaneously. What do you think, Marek?

- -- 
Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org

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