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On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 21:00:56 -0600
Andrew David Wong <[email protected]> wrote:

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>On 1/4/19 1:13 PM, John S.Recdep wrote:
>> On 1/4/19 1:37 AM, Andrew David Wong wrote:  
>>> On 1/3/19 11:31 PM, John S.Recdep wrote:  
>>>> On 1/3/19 2:51 PM,
>>>> 22rip-2xk3N/kkaK1Wk0Htik3J/[email protected] wrote:  
>>>>> Thanks 799...I learned something!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Similar to 799 but less hardcore...I always download a fresh 
>>>>> template(vs upgrade). In my case I ran with a full/fresh 
>>>>> Fedora-29 after the Fedora-28 hplip issues, and added any
>>>>> new software from fresh:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/
>>>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>>>> hmm, ok let's say I just use the new fresh 29 template, is
>>>> there some way that I can know what non-stock software I
>>>> installed on my Fedora-28 template, as I can't remember all
>>>> that I may have installed ....  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is more of a Fedora question than a Qubes question. As far
>>> as I know, there isn't a clean way to do this. Following Marek's
>>> advice from years ago, I just keep a list of the packages that I
>>> install in each of my templates.
>>> 
>>>   
>>>> So, no advice on upgrading from my 28 template at this time? I
>>>> find it strange that the template is in the dom0 updates
>>>> available, but I see no notice  in the news section on qubes
>>>> website nor here ......  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> See:
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4223
>>> 
>>> and
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-doc/pull/739  
>> 
>> So, Andrew does this mean that although the Fedora-29 Template is 
>> available via sudo qubes-dom0-update  that it still has issues and
>> hence it is not officially advisable to use it ? ( whether via
>> 'fresh' d/l nor 'upgrades' ? )
>> 
>> Forgive me, am just a layman, not sure what I would expect to
>> interpret from the github links (perhaps the fact that there are
>> any issues provides the answer?)
>> 
>> My repos are just the default qubes 4.0+ versions
>>   
>
>Well, you said you found it strange that there was no documentation or
>announcement for the Fedora 29 template. These links show why: the
>documentation is still being worked on, and the necessary steps prior to
>the announcement have not yet been completed. (In fact, at the time of
>this writing, the issue still indicates that the template has not yet
>migrated to the stable repo, which appears to be false.)
>
>In order to avoid this sort of confusion in the future, perhaps we
>should refrain from migrating new templates to the stable repo until
>documentation and an announcement are ready to be published, then do
>it all simultaneously. What do you think, Marek?
>
>- -- 
>Andrew David Wong (Axon)
>Community Manager, Qubes OS
>https://www.qubes-os.org
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No job is complete until the paperwork is done..  :)
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