On 5/4/19 12:13 PM, 'qubeslover' via qubes-users wrote:
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> On Friday, May 3, 2019 8:27 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> On 5/2/19 10:55 AM, 'qubeslover' via qubes-users wrote:
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>>> On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 11:19 AM, 
>>> [email protected] wrote:
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>>>> On 5/1/19 4:38 AM, Thierry Laurion wrote:
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>>>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 04:36 , 
>>>>> <liked2-mmb7mzphnfy-xmd5yjdbdmrexy1tmh2ibg-xmd5yjdbdmrexy1tmh2...@public.gmane.org
>>>>>  mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>>>     Hi!
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>>>>>     According to https://github.com/QubesOS/updates-status/issues/782 the 
>>>>> script "app-shutdown-idle" is included in the latest stable templates.
>>>>>     How to enable/use it? Unfortunately, I couldn't find any 
>>>>> documentation in https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-app-shutdown-idle to 
>>>>> use it.
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>>>>> "The mechanism is opt-in - enable |shutdown-idle| service in qube 
>>>>> settings to use it."
>>>>> Which litterally means what it says.
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>>>> [dom0]$ qvm-service --enable AppVmName shutdown-idle
>>>> did not the trick. The vms stay running even if all windows are closed. 
>>>> Additionally, I couldn't find anywhere the setting 
>>>> 'qubesidle.idleness_monitor' mentioned in the second link to adjust the 
>>>> timeout.
>>>> Any help how to do and where to enable it is appreciated.
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>>> Hi,
>>> (more or less) same problem here. On my laptop shutdown-idle only works 
>>> with Fedora-based VMs. It has never worked with Debian/Whonix-based VMs.
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>> Could you describe please in a bit more detail how you enable this service. 
>> For me the commandline above does not work even for Fedora templates. The 
>> questions are as following:
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>> 1.  which commandline do you use to enable it?
>> 2.  Does the service setting apply to a running AppVm or do I have to 
>> restart it to be enabled?
>> 3.  where can I find the timeout property 'qubesidle.idleness_monitor'?
>> 4.  Is the service setting a persistent setting or do I need an autostart 
>> script in dom0 for that?
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> Hi,
> 1. In a fedora-29 template type "sudo dnf install qubes-idle"
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> 2. Create a fedora-29 based VM (let's call it "shutdown", it is just a test)
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> 3. Shutdown's "Qubes Setting" -> Services -> Type shutdown-idle in the bar 
> and click on +
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> 4. Open a terminal in the Qube we called 'shutdown' and close it.
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> 4b. If you want to check that qubes-idle-watcher is running type in the 
> terminal ps aux | grep qubes-idle-watcher : you should see something like 
> this running:
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> user       764  0.3  1.6 243856 25340 ?        S    13:07   0:00 
> /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/qubes-idle-watcher
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> 5. Close the terminal in the qubes.
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> 6. After 15 minutes (without any windows open) the qubes 'shutdown' should 
> automatically shutdown :-)
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> This works just perfectly in fedora-based VMs but it is not working in 
> Debian/Whomix-based VMs.
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> Cheers
>

Qubeslover, thank you very much for the detailled explanation. I managed it to 
enable! Now, I'm a qubeslover-lover. :)

Btw. I looked again through the docs and cannot find any places from which I 
could collect the knowledge you provided here. Only URLs regarding this topic I 
could find are:
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/qubes-service/
https://github.com/QubesOS/updates-status/issues/782
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-app-shutdown-idle

Am I missing an important source for docs or is this (simply) "advanced qubes 
experience"?

@Andrew: I could create a manual for this. Where to put it best?

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