Re: [qubes-users] Re: how to use app-shutdown-idle

Fri, 10 May 2019 03:30:34 -0700 



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On Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:17 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 5/4/19 12:13 PM, 'qubeslover' via qubes-users wrote:
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> > On Friday, May 3, 2019 8:27 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > On 5/2/19 10:55 AM, 'qubeslover' via qubes-users wrote:
> > >
> > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 11:19 AM, 
> > > > [email protected] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 5/1/19 4:38 AM, Thierry Laurion wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 04:36 , 
> > > > > > <liked2-mmb7mzphnfy-xmd5yjdbdmrexy1tmh2ibg-xmd5yjdbdmrexy1tmh2...@public.gmane.org
> > > > > >  mailto:[email protected]> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     Hi!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     According to 
> > > > > > https://github.com/QubesOS/updates-status/issues/782 the script 
> > > > > > "app-shutdown-idle" is included in the latest stable templates.
> > > > > >     How to enable/use it? Unfortunately, I couldn't find any 
> > > > > > documentation in https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-app-shutdown-idle 
> > > > > > to use it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The mechanism is opt-in - enable |shutdown-idle| service in qube 
> > > > > > settings to use it."
> > > > > > Which litterally means what it says.
> > > > >
> > > > > [dom0]$ qvm-service --enable AppVmName shutdown-idle
> > > > > did not the trick. The vms stay running even if all windows are 
> > > > > closed. Additionally, I couldn't find anywhere the setting 
> > > > > 'qubesidle.idleness_monitor' mentioned in the second link to adjust 
> > > > > the timeout.
> > > > > Any help how to do and where to enable it is appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > (more or less) same problem here. On my laptop shutdown-idle only works 
> > > > with Fedora-based VMs. It has never worked with Debian/Whonix-based VMs.
> > >
> > > Could you describe please in a bit more detail how you enable this 
> > > service. For me the commandline above does not work even for Fedora 
> > > templates. The questions are as following:
> > >
> > > 1.  which commandline do you use to enable it?
> > > 2.  Does the service setting apply to a running AppVm or do I have to 
> > > restart it to be enabled?
> > > 3.  where can I find the timeout property 'qubesidle.idleness_monitor'?
> > > 4.  Is the service setting a persistent setting or do I need an autostart 
> > > script in dom0 for that?
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > 1.  In a fedora-29 template type "sudo dnf install qubes-idle"
> >
> > 2.  Create a fedora-29 based VM (let's call it "shutdown", it is just a 
> > test)
> >
> > 3.  Shutdown's "Qubes Setting" -> Services -> Type shutdown-idle in the bar 
> > and click on +
> >
> > 4.  Open a terminal in the Qube we called 'shutdown' and close it.
> >
> >
> > 4b. If you want to check that qubes-idle-watcher is running type in the 
> > terminal ps aux | grep qubes-idle-watcher : you should see something like 
> > this running:
> > user 764 0.3 1.6 243856 25340 ? S 13:07 0:00 /usr/bin/python3 
> > /usr/bin/qubes-idle-watcher
> >
> > 5.  Close the terminal in the qubes.
> >
> > 6.  After 15 minutes (without any windows open) the qubes 'shutdown' should 
> > automatically shutdown :-)
> >
> >
> > This works just perfectly in fedora-based VMs but it is not working in 
> > Debian/Whomix-based VMs.
> > Cheers
>
> Qubeslover, thank you very much for the detailled explanation. I managed it 
> to enable! Now, I'm a qubeslover-lover. :)
>

Glad it has been helpful. I have a question. Have you managed to run 
shutdown-idle in a Fedora-based VM? Or in a Debian-based one? In this latter, 
if I type 'ps aux | grep qubes' I notice the the process 'qubes-idle-watcher' 
is not running (and even if I launch it manually it does not work).

Cheers

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