Peter Degen-Portnoy said the following on 01/13/2010 05:49 PM:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Thanks so very much to everyone who responded; this has been fantastically
> helpful!
>
> It sure looks like we have a number of options including creating two more
> layouts (although we would like to not have essentially the same layout 3
> times; there is probably a, way to DRY up the layouts).
Yes.
As I mentioned. put things like 'sidebar' into the snippets than you
have a pair of layouts: "sidebar-left" and "sidebar-right".
Its not so much DRY as 'factoring out common elements' and making them
into building blocks.
Its easier on your users to have many Layouts to choose from, even
though they are 'much the same', than to put them though the other
contortions you discussed. If you name the Layouts 'logically', and by
that I mean the name reflects the function on the site, things like:
'front-page', event-page .....
Heck: I started that and I ended up using the templates plugin within
just TWO layouts for one site, a 'front page' with no sidebar and a
normal page with sidebar, and everything else done with Templates.
Great plugin. It "directs' the users as to what to fill in where almost
like creating pages with a form!
> We could also use
> the r:if_url and r:unless_url to control the display of elements. It would
> more tightly bind the layout to the site structure, but the layout *is* the
> site, so we're good on that. :-)
>
> The r:if_content tags would allow us to use a simpler naming convention,
> like "right_gutter" and all the elements that need to appear in the
> right_gutter are placed there.
Ah, I don't know about other people, but I've always taken the 'gutter'
to mean the dead space between two elements, such as the main content
and the sidebar. Be careful inventing terminology.
As I pointed out, I have the Layouts with 'left-sidebar' and
'right-sidebar'. Why? Because the CSS is very specific about what goes
where.
A 'left-sidebar' page has a different offset of the main content from a
layout that has a right sidebar or no sidebar.
And unless you want it bouncing around all over the place, you DO need
the CSS.
#Mainpage #SidebarPage
<body> <body>
<div id="container"> <div id="container">
<div id="content"> <div id="left-sidebar">
<div> </div>
<div id="content">
</div>
</div> </div>
</body> </body>
Do it with CSS
Let me make that quite clear.
You can't just throw DIV-level elements around, you have to take care
and consideration of the order they will rendered and the CSS.
If its getting complicated, difficult or unclear you doing it wrong.
I know that sounds a bit arrogant and fascist, but its true. One day
someone will come along to read this, perhaps maintain it. It may be
you years on, smarter perhaps or just perhaps a bit hurried. Keep it
simple and clear. Your users and your colleagues will thank you.
--
"A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS--But it uses up a thousand times
the memory."
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